[Mi...] Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 i made a cut almost or right at a week today.. I was at 6mgs of V and went down to 5mgs this past week .. im feeling okay but a little worried that it was too large a cut thinking of going back to at least 5 1/2 and holding for maybe 14 days .. im getting so tired of this pill taking it's sucking the life outta me .. the benzo hugs scare me to death not to mention I can barely leave my house without thinking I may need to pull over and call the paramedics and omg the pressure headaches I cant keep taking Tylenol every day or every other day .. sorry for babbling I just need some advise on if that cut is too big ive been holding at 6mgs for over at least a month and I wanna move on already .. I feel im delaying the process but I wanna be safe and my biggest fear is having a seizure and I can't stop thinking about it ., that's my obsessive thought every since I started this journey , every headache or weird sensation is a stroke or a seizure im tired I cant hold on much longer im praying so hard and long I fall asleep praying for a little peace ... are we in any REAL DANGER from the things we feel from tapering and making cuts ? maybe I just need some reassuring today .. most days I can make it and I even have very good days only to be slammed for the next few days after the good ones ... I know many have it worse than me since im able to work most days but I have exhausted my time at work and now when im sick I still try to go in and push through it , it's so hard but I do it .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [st...] Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hi- You could be at your lag time, the time from the cut to when your symptoms appear. You are also getting low in V, congrats on that. IMO, you are cutting too much. Have you thought about using titration now? I'm using daily titration and I work full time. There's no way I would be able to do cut & hold and function like I do now (already went down that road as my siggy line shows). They way I am doing it isn't without symptoms, however, they are nothing like cut & hold. If I were you, I'd go back to 6mg's and hold until you feel better. I'd also post in the titration section and use that method until you are at zero mg's. A much smoother way off, IMO. edited to add link to titration section: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=62.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Hi- You could be at your lag time, the time from the cut to when your symptoms appear. You are also getting low in V, congrats on that. IMO, you are cutting too much. Have you thought about using titration now? I'm using daily titration and I work full time. There's no way I would be able to do cut & hold and function like I do now (already went down that road as my siggy line shows). They way I am doing it isn't without symptoms, however, they are nothing like cut & hold. If I were you, I'd go back to 6mg's and hold until you feel better. I'd also post in the titration section and use that method until you are at zero mg's. A much smoother way off, IMO. edited to add link to titration section: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=62.0 thank you I will look into it .. im so ready to end this whole ordeal .. but proud to say I made through another work day I will let the dc know I want to try the titration and see what she says I told her I felt better on 7mgs but she insisted I go down to 6 I did and held now I wanna move along but safely I have to be able to function to some degree and I work in a high stress job .. NO FUN AT ALL .. thank you for your reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bo...] Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I'm in a Valium taper after many years of Benzos, and my experience has been negative with tapering in 1mg intervals down from 10mg. Too big a cut, and I did it too often (went with doctors orders until it all went pear shaped, now I figure it out on here very very carefully). I'm currently trying to get things more stable at 5mg, after going a fair way lower. When I do start down again it will be in very small increments using titration. Either daily or possibly weekly drops, but taking anything up to a couple of months to reduce 1mg, and in 0.1mg increments at most, probably more like 0.02 daily. Slower again as I get lower. I now believe from the experience and wisdom of many on here that you heal on the way down, and the rate of taper is best determined by the level of symptoms experienced and staying functional along the way. This would seem to result in a soft landing without protracted withdrawals of significance. But it's a slow, patient and thoughtful exercise, and requires getting up to speed with titration and then applying this for many months. I won't be starting it until thing settle for me - I've found it difficult to set a good starting point after a bad tapering experience (not the first). Should be really good at it when I finally get there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sm...] Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Yea I agree with the above. 1mg is too big a cut at that dose sadly :/ We all want to finish it. You just make the choice how you finish it really. I've chosen the minimal-pain way which is also sadly the long way. Anyway I recommend checking out the Valium/Diazepam Support thread in the Support Groups section. There are lots of people there who are/have tapering/tapered Valium. Read a few of the first pages to see what some of these people say about there experiences thus far. I also reckon once you are this dosage micro-tapering will really help. You can do titration, or use liquid valium or use a scale. Again there are people on that valium thread who have lots of detailed knowledge about all those methods with V. Good luck and Peace Smiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Te...] Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 If you could, at the low dose you're at now, I'd recommend making 0.5 mg. cuts and holding for at least 3 weeks before making the next cut. The lower you go on Valium the the slower you need to go so your body can adjust. I kept tapering and got to 5 mg. and simply couldn't go lower, so I ended up jumping c/t. Fortunately, I don't have to work, so I was able to deal with the hell that is a c/t acute withdrawal. I wouldn't wish what I've been going through on anyone. This isn't a race, so please make very small cuts and hold for at least 3 weeks, or longer if you're still not ready. What's important is to keep going down, even if it's a tiny amount and it takes longer than you'd like. The ultimate goal is to get off, so ease off slowly so your final jump will be successful. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 thank you everyone I will ask the doctor about going to ask the shrink tomorrow about switching to the liquid from this point on .. does that need water or can I just use a syringe and get my dosage .. im not sure I don't want to dry cut pills they start to crumble and im sure im either getting to much or not enough some days .. I agree the less painful the better since I do need to work .. hopefully I can continue but this may be beyond my control and my job and everything else may have to come to an end .. its so depressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest [st...] Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 thank you everyone I will ask the doctor about going to ask the shrink tomorrow about switching to the liquid from this point on .. does that need water or can I just use a syringe and get my dosage .. im not sure I don't want to dry cut pills they start to crumble and im sure im either getting to much or not enough some days .. I agree the less painful the better since I do need to work .. hopefully I can continue but this may be beyond my control and my job and everything else may have to come to an end .. its so depressing Miami If you go to this section of the board, all your questions will be answered. Just click on the link and post a question about Valium titration (you can use whole milk & pills also if you cannot or do not want liquid Valium): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?board=62.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sm...] Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I do liquid daily tapering with the prescription liquid valium. I agree: the thought of all that crumbly tablets and messing with scales every day was enough to put me off. I also didn't want to titrate because it sounded too complicated. As I've watched others explain it I reckon I would have got it. But since I could get the liquid valium on prescription it wasn't an issue This is how I do it (I thought it sounded the easiest at the time and it has proved good for me): http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=66185.msg1029233#msg1029233 This Valium support Group has people on it who do every sort of micro-taper - liquid, titration, scales, and are very supportive http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=96753.0 Good luck You'll be feeling better in no time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share Posted December 20, 2013 Unfortunately my doctor wants me at 5mgs now since ive bern on it at that level for a week now.. thank goodness im off work for a week and I'll see how I feel .. 1mg down , im actually feeling pretty good ( knock on wood) with minimal discomfort at the moment . I do notice headaches after cuts she did say magnesium would help with that and she is still insisting that I try the neurontin she gave me but im too scared to take any more meds now .. I dont know what it will do to me or how it would make me feel and since I live alone now that just makes it that much worse. Thanks for all the info .. 5mgs it is ... wish me luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sm...] Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Yes good luck Do check out the valium thread. And also search for neurotonin and gabapentin threads. The anti-epileptics are helpful but since they do pretty much what benzos do they often cause withdrawals of their own when trying to get off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Sm...] Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 One suggestion you could consider... I've been taking bioperine - the main component of pepper - to boost absorbtion of curcumin. It is suggested it also boosts absorbtion of benzos. It has been my experience that it has. Possibly by as much as 1mg of Valium. If you aren't stabilising on that dose you could try that and pull the plug immediately if there is any problems. http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-BioPerine-10-mg-120-Tablets/992#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=bioperin&rc=308&sr=null&ic=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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