Example of a Valium/Diazepam Daily Reduction Method

Hi Jewels

 

Wow you've really been through the ringer haven't you. I'm so sorry you've been through all that.

 

I don't know a whole lot about tapering off temazepam. I did take it before I started taking diazepam, but my taper was directly off diazepam. However, I don't see why you can't taper off the T first and then maybe decide what to do about the D. My only concern is that you are on two different benzos and I'm really not sure how that would go. Do you think that maybe you could finish your cross over to diazepam first and then you're just on one benzo and you could start your taper then? Just a thought. I'd be interested to hear what other people think.

 

PS - just noticed you said you really don't want to go any higher with the D. So if you already have T liquid I'd certainly give that a go with tapering first. Once you've finished tapering that, my suggestion would be to get some 2mg diazepam tablets because you'll find tapering easier if you have the smaller tablets.

Thankyou Diaz Pam , for your answer , and your kind words , the only reason I didn't want to go up any further with the diaz is because it is taking me so long to get used to each up dose ,  I haven't been able to get out of bed for 2 days , and feel so lethargic , and I have been on the latest up dose for 3 weeks now ,  I have had a few good days in between , I will try and go up another 2 and a half mg of diaz when I can , my worry is that it's not suiting my body very well , , as when I felt so ill with shingles I rang 111 and the nurse I spoke to said my doc was crossing me over too fast and she thinks with my low immune system that was probably why I got shingles ,

 

 

 

                                                    I read your story about your taper and it sounds much more gentle , and I hope when the time comes I can learn how to do it properly , if I can't get the 2mg D tablets would it still be possible to do this taper ?tho I will ask my doc when the time comes ,        Jewels 

Yes you can do a D taper without using 2mg tablets. It's just that using the 2mg tablets makes splitting the tablet easier, and then making a titration with 1mg. However, nothing is impossible when tapering. You just find another way of doing it. If you have 5mg tablets, you could split them in half and then make a titration with the 2.5mg instead. It can be done.

Thankyou Diaz Pam , I  have decided as I have tried so many times to get off the temaz , and found it virtually impossible .to try my best to get up to the full 20mg diaz , a friend who is using a simalar taper to yours said she has never known anyone who has been able to get off  temazipam because it's so short life , my brain is quite fuzzy , and Iam worried if I will be able to understand how to do it pproperly , 

You will definitely work it out. I've been involved with a few people who just thought they would never get it, but they do. It's really not hard. Someone will be there to hold your hand when the time comes. Just take the rest of your c/o slowly. As you said, T has a short half-life, and D takes a while to build up in your body. So just take your time. There is no rush. Feeling okay is far more important than speed.

Hi Diaz Pam , I had a really good day yeterday even went shopping and visited a fiend and actually had a good time and some laughs , I then realised I better go up on the diaz a bit more so will be upping another 2 and a half mg today , equivalent to 5mg of the temaz ,

                                  The thing I had forgot to confess to my doctor is that after my stroke , I was so shaky and scared also in tolerence w/d from the temaz that I started to take extra temaz 10 more mg than my 40mg , I have managed to cut this down to 7 and a half mg temaz , and would like to know if I could do the micro taper off of the rest of the temazipam when I am settled on this latest updose of diaz , my temazipam is in liquid form and mixes very easily with water ,                        jewels   

It's good to hear you had a really good day. These kind of days give you a glimpse at what your life will be once all the crap is over with.

 

If you think you'd prefer to do it that way, then give it a go. If you already have it in liquid form, then that will make it pretty easy to do.

Thankyou Diaz Pam it will probably just be the last extra bit , then I will be starting the diaz taper with milk 

Hi, I'm currently on 10 mg Valium , want to do a daily liquid Valium taper, was wondering how I would go about this . Thanks a lot

It's good to hear you had a really good day. These kind of days give you a glimpse at what your life will be once all the crap is over with.

 

If you think you'd prefer to do it that way, then give it a go. If you already have it in liquid form, then that will make it pretty easy to do.

Hi Macca

 

Do you have a preference for how you want to make a liquid mixture - full fat milk, vodka, liquid valium etc? Depending on what you want to use, just follow the instructions in the first post.

 

If you make a 1mg:100ml mixture, I would suggest you start with between a 2ml to 3ml daily reduction. 2ml per day will mean you will reduce 1mg over 50 days, and 3ml will reduce 1mg over 33 days. You may feel you can go a bit higher than that, but I always think it's better to start lower than you think and work up, rather than do it the other way around.

 

Let me know if you need any other information or help.

Hi there Pam,

 

I was wondering a few things about the posted method. With regards to making a solution with vodka, what is meant by a "batch"? Does this just mean several doses in several jars? You also mention the option of either discarding some, or leaving some for the next day, but I'm not seeing how that's possible without either doing lots of math/getting an inconsistent amount of diazepam. Maybe I'm missing something? Otherwise everything else about the vodka method is pretty clear to me now, so I thank you for making this thread!

Hi Nervgirl

 

When I say "batch" I just mean the 100ml mixture you make up, that you then measure your daily reductions from.

 

When you measure a daily dose out of the 100ml “batch” there will be some of the mixture left over. For example, if today you needed to drink 70ml of your 100ml, that would mean that you have 30ml left over. Now you can throw that away if you want to, but I hate waste.

 

So let's say you are reducing by 2ml per day - that means tomorrow you would need to drink 68ml of the 100ml mixture (2ml reduction from 70ml). So what you would do is have a second "batch" of 100ml valium/vodka solution already made, and you could use the 30ml that's left over from the first batch, and then add another 38ml from the new batch to it. That would then give you a total for that day of 68ml.

 

Then there will be 62ml left over from your second batch, so you could use that the next day, and just add 4ml from a new 100ml batch to make the 66ml you would need to drink that day.

 

The following day you would have enough left to take your full dose from that batch (64ml), with some left overs to use the following day.

 

My paranoia always made sure that I accurately measured the left over amounts with the syringe just to make sure I was actually getting the full amount I needed. I never just trusted what was left in the jar without measuring it...lol...

 

I hope all that makes sense.

 

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I see. So this applies more once you've taken out more than a few MLs... I was also wondering how long it takes vodka to properly dissolve the Valium?  I assume it's fairly quick but just trying to get an idea. I'm guessing the solution should be clear. One more question comes to mind: do I add the water immediately after the vodka or do I wait for the pill to fully dissolve in the vodka first?

 

As always, my eternal gratitude Pam. This is an excellent thread. Good job on the taper.

Yes after you've reduced by a few mls you can start saving the left overs if you want to... or you can save them right from the start too if you want to.

 

I don't know specifically how long it takes the vodka to dissolve the valium, but the smart people who told me about this method all said to leave it for a minute or two. If you wait too long you face the possibility of the alcohol evaporating and then you might just end up with a gluggy mess of tablet fillers..lol...

 

The solution will be clear, but you will see some particles at the bottom. These are the tablet fillers and they won't dissolve at all.

 

When I was using this method I would leave the valium in the vodka for maybe a minute or so, and then I would pour the water in. In most cases I would then store it in a cool dark place until I needed it (usually the next day). I have been told, by someone who is clever, that you shouldn't store it in the fridge because the cold could cause the valium and alcohol to split. This wouldn't be a problem if you have already measured out the dose/doses you were going to drink, but if you still have to measure out your dose, this could mean you would get an inaccurate dose.

Diaz-Pam thank you so much for your post!

 

Im looking to going and getting script for the liquid valium this weekend to help me reduce from the 1mg that I'm on. I looked at your schedule which looks great. Sorry for the dumb question but you set 100 days to get of the last 1mg liquid?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Sxxx

Yes after you've reduced by a few mls you can start saving the left overs if you want to... or you can save them right from the start too if you want to.

 

I don't know specifically how long it takes the vodka to dissolve the valium, but the smart people who told me about this method all said to leave it for a minute or two. If you wait too long you face the possibility of the alcohol evaporating and then you might just end up with a gluggy mess of tablet fillers..lol...

 

The solution will be clear, but you will see some particles at the bottom. These are the tablet fillers and they won't dissolve at all.

 

When I was using this method I would leave the valium in the vodka for maybe a minute or so, and then I would pour the water in. In most cases I would then store it in a cool dark place until I needed it (usually the next day). I have been told, by someone who is clever, that you shouldn't store it in the fridge because the cold could cause the valium and alcohol to split. This wouldn't be a problem if you have already measured out the dose/doses you were going to drink, but if you still have to measure out your dose, this could mean you would get an inaccurate dose.

 

Correct, it should be stored at room temp, NOT refrigerated.

Diaz-Pam thank you so much for your post!

 

Im looking to going and getting script for the liquid valium this weekend to help me reduce from the 1mg that I'm on. I looked at your schedule which looks great. Sorry for the dumb question but you set 100 days to get of the last 1mg liquid?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Sxxx

 

Hi Sora

 

Well done for getting so far with your taper. You're on the home run now GF!!!

 

Everything I've given is just an example only. You can taper off this last 1mg as fast or as slow as you think is best for you. If you reduce 1ml of the 100ml per day, then it will take 100 days, but you could increase or decrease the number of mls you reduce each day - eg 1.5ml per day would take 66 days or 0.5ml per day would take 200 days. 

 

This is the beauty of the daily liquid taper because you are totally in control of how much you cut and whether you need to hold or not. Perhaps try the 1ml per day and see how you go, but if things don't feel right hold and maybe think about reducing that 1ml. There is no hurry. You're almost there anyway, so even if it takes a few months that's nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Many thanks and congratulations on your achievements!

 

Thank you again for taking the time in sharing and explaining the many ways of tapering with the liquid - and your absolutely right, it will give all the control necessary to reduce accordingly to zero.

 

Iv just been a mess thinking that this will be the end of me. But i know its my anxiety talking...I guess I've never spoken to anyone about this before so thank you so muchly x

 

Im going to the GP tomorrow to get the script - here's hoping she won't give me grief - she's been as useful as bottomless bucket with advice on tapering. She just doesn't have a clue (and she's an 'addiction specialist'...)

 

I will need to get a syringe from the pharmacy and a few glass bottles. Im just unsure as how to physically put the mix together. I know i will start with just taking 1mg for the next two weeks and see how it goes (here's hoping I can actually get it mixed and take it right!)

 

I know that everyone feels it differently, but could you kindly let me know how your w/d were (if any) on the last leg whilst on the liquid taper?

 

 

Sxxx

Just wanted to let you know, Diaz-pam, I'm using your 1mg/100mL ratio of water titration solution and have started your daily micro taper

 

Doing dry cuts has become very difficult now that I've gotten around 9mg, and I think it's time to bite the bullet and give this a try.

 

Pulling .02mg per day and will be down to 7.25mg in 100 day. Any ideas what to expect?

Ps: Anyone else use water titration successfully? Don't want to start that debate again, but just wondering.

Many thanks and congratulations on your achievements!

 

Thank you again for taking the time in sharing and explaining the many ways of tapering with the liquid - and your absolutely right, it will give all the control necessary to reduce accordingly to zero.

 

Iv just been a mess thinking that this will be the end of me. But i know its my anxiety talking...I guess I've never spoken to anyone about this before so thank you so muchly x

 

Im going to the GP tomorrow to get the script - here's hoping she won't give me grief - she's been as useful as bottomless bucket with advice on tapering. She just doesn't have a clue (and she's an 'addiction specialist'...)

 

I will need to get a syringe from the pharmacy and a few glass bottles. Im just unsure as how to physically put the mix together. I know i will start with just taking 1mg for the next two weeks and see how it goes (here's hoping I can actually get it mixed and take it right!)

 

I know that everyone feels it differently, but could you kindly let me know how your w/d were (if any) on the last leg whilst on the liquid taper?

 

 

 

Sxxx

 

My symptoms always stayed pretty much the same. My "early warning sign" that my taper was going too fast was afternoon headaches. Then if I ignored that (which I often did) it would then lead to insomnia, with the associated anxiety and depression.

 

I hope your doctor doesn't give you grief, but if she does then you have other options for making your own titration liquid with your tablets. Just follow the steps in the first post and you should be fine. You're at a good stage where you will be on 1mg, so you'll be using the liquid for your entire dose, and you won't have to mess around taking extra tablets.

 

Ps: Anyone else use water titration successfully? Don't want to start that debate again, but just wondering.

 

Some people say you can titrate just using water and valium tablets, but more people will tell you it's not a good idea. I've never tried just water, so I can only tell you what others, who are a lot cleverer than me, have said, and that is it's not a good idea.

 

There was a poster a while back who got pretty hot under the collar and swore water titration was a good thing, but the last time I saw her posting on BB she was having a really bad time. Of course that could have been caused by something else too. I really don't know.

 

I always come back to the question that if water titration was so successful why isn't everyone using it? After all, just using water would be a lot easier than having to get prescriptions for LV, or using milk or vodka etc. I guess it comes down to everyone doing what they think is best for themselves, and seeing what happens. Everything about benzo tapering is going to be trial and error.

Good afternoon Diaza Pam,

 

Hope you are well, I just came back from my GP...Ok so she gave me one script for the 10mg/10ml liquid valium. Please let me know if I'm getting this right:

 

1. So I put 1mg into 99ml.  That is a .01mg/ml concentration.  Each ml contains .01mg Valium. That means that I have ten fills.

 

2. My plan is to first start take 100ml for a week to see how my body responds to the liquid form.

 

3. If all goes ok, my plan is to taper down 0.2mg every 2 weeks or so (all will depend on how the body responds etc)

 

4. Use the daily "excess" reduction for the next day's dose.

 

I have two minor questions:

 

- my Dr only gave me one script - which at starting my first week on this taper, will only take me to ten days. Should I ask her to give me repeats? And if so, do you know how many repeats one can get? (She said I don't have epilepsy so the script will need to be private - which is fine for me, however one of the ways I have reduced my anxiety and been able to taper the way that I have is to avoid going to her for scripts as much as possible!!!! (I'm still getting over seeing her this morning...its awful)

 

- any tips on how to store this liquid concoction? I suspect dry/cool/dark place as I have heard over the years that valium doesn't do too well in the fridge.

 

Thank you in advance xxx

 

Sora xxx

Have you actually had your prescription filled yet? I think you might find that if it's the standard pharma grade liquid valium, it will come in a bottle that could be anything from 100ml to 500ml, depending on what country you are in. So a bottle will last you quite a long time, because you'll just be using 1ml of the liquid at a time. So at this point you shouldn't need any repeats.

 

You will need to store the liquid valium in a cool dark place. Once you've made up the 100ml solution you probably should also store that in the same place. However, when I was using LV, I used to store my 100ml solution in the fridge. I'm not sure why I thought I had to do that, and I've since found it may not be the best thing, although I never really had any problems doing that though.