Author Topic: Valium/Diazepam Support Group  (Read 776031 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22480 on: September 11, 2021, 01:04:59 am »
Hello!  I recently went through an episode where I started tapering down way too quickly from 1mg of Klonopin down to .5 then .375 and [...] decided to stop because I seemed fine.  I woke up in the middle of the night having very hard and fast heart palpitations, my arms and legs were cramped up and burning, it was hard to breathe, my chest was tight and I was basically convlusing.  I have been on benzos for years.  I was getting off of them because I wanted not to rely on them anymore.  I took .375 after the cold turkey episode and it calmed me down but I was afraid to go to sleep so I never did after.  I started having air hunger on .375 and went back up to .5.  Nothing was any better and I had severe panic attacks for several hours each night keeping my fiancťe awake and with my parents on the phone, thinking I needed to go to the hospital.  After going to urgent care a few days later everything checked out fine and I have seen that it [...] a very common symptom of benzo withdrawal.   After I realized that I wanted to take 1mg to really check if that's what it was and I felt way better.

I started taking 1mg for about a week and thought that I [...] needed to "recover" from the cold turkey episode and theb get off of them much more slowly.  I decided that I would use the Ashton Method so my doctor switched me over to 20mg of [...].  I have been on [...] before and I thought that the slow cross over would be unnecessary as long as there were benzos in my system, but I was wrong.  I experienced another feeling of cold turkey from Klonopin while on 20mg of [...], so then I decided to cross over more slowly. Which I still did too fast. In about 9 days rather than the recommended 28 or so.

My question [...] this: I have now been on [...] for 29 days, and off of Klonopin for 19 days.  My understanding was that [...]'s active metabolite desmethyldiazepam should have maintained steady blood levels by 4 weeks in order to protect me from the Klonopin withdrawals.  However, I am still having air hunger and chest pain and it [...] driving me crazy.  Has anybody else had issues with cross over that persisted beyond a month and then calmed down after that?  Does anybody have more information about desmethyldiazepam and how long it [...] take for some individuals to build up?  Could it take longer than a month?  Have any of you felt withdrawals from Klonopin underneath [...] for longer than a month after switching and did it ease up?  And once the Klonopin withdrawals were over did you feel that the [...] quelled symptoms of remaining anxiety so that a long taper could feel more manageable?
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[Buddie]

Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22481 on: September 11, 2021, 02:34:48 am »
Hi [...],
I'm so sorry for your sufferings!  I did a much slower c/o (5 weeks) and of course, suffered Klon withdrawals.  It took me several months to feel more "normal" even though I felt stabilized and much relief after the 5 weeks.  And yes, then I was able to resume a taper on the [...] way more easily.  My anxiety was better, I was more calm, and so many of my symptoms that I had while trying to taper Klonopin went away or lessened.  I was able to gain 35 pounds back which helped a lot.  I know the c/o period [...] really rough for many and it seems that now, your brain/body [...] trying to [...] settle down.  Hopefully it will!

Hang in there!
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22482 on: September 11, 2021, 04:16:25 am »
Thank you so much for your response.  :) Did you experience any air hunger or chest pains from the Klonopin withdrawals?  It's definitely encouraging to hear that though!  I have been feelinf hopeless since after 4 weeks I haven't had relief.  But to know that it can take longer helps.  I do wish I crossed over much more slowly but... nothing I [...] about that now.  😕 But at the same time glad to have the terrible Klonopin out of my system as long as I can get stabilized soon...
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22483 on: September 11, 2021, 08:24:15 pm »
Hey ten - Iím tapering K (considering switching to V) and air hunger [...] absolutely one of my symptoms. It comes and goes. Usually only hangs around ~4 days at most. Truly terrifying one.
Hang in there.
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22484 on: September 11, 2021, 08:48:15 pm »
I didn't have that symptom but had others.  We are all so different.
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22485 on: September 11, 2021, 09:25:44 pm »
Thank you [...]. I [...] you can hang in there too!  Definitely terrifying.  :( It has not gone away for me at all. It [...] there 24/7 but [...] worsend in severity at times.. I really [...] it goes away. And if you do switch to V then definitely do the cross over slowly!!! I made the mistake of going way too fast
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22486 on: September 12, 2021, 12:49:47 pm »
Hi,

This would be a question to anyone who's been kindled after several tapers and going off the medication and on again and to those who suffered a cold turkey or rapid taper in the past with the result of glutamate damage due to spending some time in acute withdrawal and then reinstated. This [...] how I define my brain's state.

I'm tapering again ever so slowly and carefully. My life circumstances require that I am as functional as possible and I can not afford to be disabled or go back to the awful state I was in two years ago when my last taper went wrong.

I have come off this medication numerous times before but my brain has simply changed and a normal taper [...] no longer doable.

I am really struggling to decipher what part of my symptoms [...] coming from the glutamate damage and not from the withdrawal from the last cuts. I still experienced these symptoms during seven month holds, so I know a lot of it [...] not withdrawal. However, as I've made a few cuts int he past months, I suppose some of it or a lot of my symptoms could be withdrawal.

With this uncertainty, I am afraid to make a cut as maybe my symptoms are warning me not to cut yet, but I'm also not sure if the symptoms are mostly the old glutamate damage and then I could probably tolerate a 0.10 mgs cut every three weeks. I'm really at a crossroads with this. I wonder if anyone can relate to what I'm going through. Thank you for reading.
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22487 on: September 20, 2021, 09:16:31 am »
Hey all, I'm currently on 5 mg of [...] in the morning and 4 mg of [...] in the evening. I'm cutting 1 mg every 2 weeks. I discussed with my addiction specialist on what to do with the last few milligrams and mentioned a microtaper. She said her clients tapered 2 mg every 2 weeks of [...] and went from 2 mg to 0 mg without problems afterwards. I said I read online that a microtaper [...] recommended for the last few milligrams and she said we can taper 0.5mg the last 2 or 4 milligrams. So going from 4 to 3.5 to 3.0 and so on till 0. [...] this recommended? What do you guys and gals think of this?

Thank you.
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22488 on: September 20, 2021, 02:03:11 pm »
I've seen people do fine on this - it's all going to depend on how sensitized you are.  She should be open to a patient-led taper as those are the ones with the most success.  [...] you are doing well, [...]!
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Re: Valium/Diazepam Support Group
« Reply #22489 on: September 22, 2021, 08:19:03 pm »
[...], so after weighing options with how to proceed in my K taper, I have decided to cross over to liquid [...]. My psychiatrist recommended 5mg bid of V starting with pm dose (or part of pm dose).
I donít want to overshoot and lose the incredible amount of work that has gone into tapering this low.

Current k = 0.163 mg split every 12 hours (10a and 10p)
Current symptoms: inter dose [...] feeling anxious and dizzy, DP/DR at 0900 in the morning then again from 1-5pm after 10 am dose.
I work and that 1-5 window [...] rough. I donít want to get up from my desk to do anything because Iím floaty boaty.

So. From 0.163mg (0.082mg per dose) how could I approach this crossover?
Iím incredibly sensitive to every drop in K dose.
I have been doing 2% per month and still struggling.

Momof7 any advice? What can I expect with this crossover? What did you do? What do you wish you knew before starting?
Any help or opinions [...] appreciated.

New rx [...] for [...] 1mg/ml liquid
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