Author Topic: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse  (Read 1918 times)

[Buddie]

Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« on: October 04, 2013, 12:37:01 am »
Hi guys,
             I feel strangely detached and almost resigned to my fate. I guess I should be posting on a cirrhosis forum now. I'm scared and feel stupid. I have been feeling lousy all year with occasional pains in my liver area, occasional nausea, lethargy, dizziness, foggy brain, difficulty breathing, depression, etc and I attributed it all to benzo wd. Now it appeared it had nothing to do with stopping the valium.

I was a heavy drinker and painkiller addict but stopped sometime ago. All these symptoms of liver failure are also benzo wd symptoms which is worth bearing in mind. Last Sunday I started to feel really ill after having a only a couple of drinks the day before. Nausea, abdominal pain, intense itching and couldn't eat for days. I knew something was wrong so when it didn't improve I went to my Dr who did a liver function test. The ALT was slightly elevated but she wasn't worried. She thought it could've been caused by the tylenol I had been taking daily (just 1-2). She felt my liver and couldn't find any other abnormalities and tried to give me antidepressants again. She clearly thought it was a mental issue manifesting physically but I still felt so sick. Classic symptoms of liver disease. I have had occasional twinges coming from my liver for years but nothing like this.

I continued feeling shocking with a strange brain fog, felt so vague. Couldn't think straight which again is common in benzo wd and hepatic encepholopathy. It was never the bloody valium it appears! I felt much worse on wednesday night so I drove to the ER. After a long wait they examined me and did a full blood count but no scans. All the blood tests were now normal and they discharged me thinking it was gastro. However two days later I still have no appetite at all which is a new development and feel spaced out and nauseas. Strange thing is I haven't been drinking much this year and can't tolerate it. The only thing which could've been damaging my liver is the small amount of tylenol I was taking daily well within the normal dose.  Its unlikely. It seems I damaged my liver years ago and its only showing up this year. Benzo wd took all the credit!

I'm very scared and don't know what to do next. My 15 month old son will be without a father.

Anyone have any advice. The Dr's won't do a biopsy because the second round of blood tests were in the normal range and I have no clinical signs of liver failure.. I feel so itchy, nauseas, lethargic and apathetic, can't eat and still have a dull ache from my liver area. I also feel so spaced out, almost stoned. My wife thinks I'm being neurotic but I've never been this sick before. Hardly had a bite to eat since last weekend.

What should I do? Help.
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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2013, 12:43:32 am »
I would quit drinking. And I would quit taking Tylenol. It is known to cause liver problems.

But if your liver blood tests were normal, I don't think I'd worry too much until you do both of the above and wait long enough to see if that makes a difference. Both of them should. Both of those are baaaad for the liver.

It you want to protect your liver, sincerely, you will stop drinking and stop taking acetaminophen.
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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 01:06:40 am »
[...],

You do not sound like you are really sure that the diagnosis is Cirrhosis. Did they tell you that this is a sure thing? I would think that your liver enzymes would be through the roof. Tylenol is bad if you mix it with alcohol, and particularly bad if you have liver disease. If this is your actual diagnosis you will likely be following up w a gastro. They can give you a better idea of what to expect. I had something happen to me while I was in w/d and I went nuts. I was really paranoid. I let it get a lot bigger than it was. I am hoping that you will get a clearer picture and maybe will not feel so down. Good luck. :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 01:08:37 am »
Thanks [...],
                           But is it too late already? Apparently you can have severe liver damage but normal tests. I've hardly been able to eat all week and still feel nausea and abdominal pain.

 How do you know when you've passed the point of no return?
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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2013, 01:24:43 am »
The doctors must be highly confident that is not cirrhosis if they are flat out refusing a biopsy. Any jaundice or dark urine?
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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2013, 01:28:56 am »
Just curious, how old are you and how long and how much (and what) is your drinking history?

If you've had two blood tests and your labs have come back normal, I'd doubt if you have cirrhosis. Liver tests are pretty reliable. I have hepatitis C that's dormant but I have labs every six months and they've always been right on target.

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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2013, 01:46:30 am »
I'm only 37 but I drank fairly heavily between the ages of 20-35. Not an extreme amount but a fair bit. Worse, I used to mix codeine/tylenol together with it before I knew the dangers. I stopped doing that. The main worry is the last week I've deteriorated a lot. Its far more than a wave and now I think I've been afflicted by liver disease all year and not benzo wd.

The liver function test was slightly abnormal on Tuesday but when I went to the ER the next day it was normal. I feel so sick its not funny and just know somethings seriously wrong. I've never been this bad before and I have a constant dull ache from the liver area.

Could you have cirrhosis with no obvious clinical signs that a Dr would immediately pick up on?

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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 02:06:59 am »
I have found that Dr. Google does not always make the best diagnoses. If you're truly worried they can so a scan of your liver. Go get checked out. The liver can regenerate. Take care of yourself and your family and all will be well. I don't mean to minimize how you feel, and how scared you are, and it's great that you are facing so many things, you can handle this and find out where you really are and take care of yourself. Be well, [...]
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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2013, 02:33:26 am »
Is this a self diagnosis? It seems that your tests are fine so it is highly unlikely a major illness like liver failure would go unnoticed.

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My 15 month old son will be without a father.


This catastrophising will only make you feel sicker and is hardly likely.

I'm sorry you feel so fearful and I hope you will be able to put your mind at rest soon.

Best wishes.

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[Buddie]

Re: Not valium withdrawal at all, something worse
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2013, 02:43:03 am »
Have you been checked for gallstones?
If you are interested in cleaning the liver, there is the liver flush which flushes stones from both the gallbladder and liver at curezone.com.
However, I wouldn't recommend anyone going thru benzo withdrawal do something like a liver flush until you reach 100% recovery.
A lowcarb diet can keep gallstone attacks from causing problems.

Personally, I have flushed over 1200 stones from my liver and gallbladder because I suffered nausea for over 5 years.
It didn't go away until I went lowcarb, and then, I decided to do the liver flushes.
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