Author Topic: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group  (Read 183045 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2013, 01:30:10 am »
I am taking it since it makes me sleepy in about 15 minutes after taking it.  It does work for sleep.

I did a lot of drinking in my 20's and became a heavy weight drinker. quit at 40 years old. Started Atvian at .5mg and it did ZERO. Dr. said  "TAKE MORE' ,,  ???   long story short it took 4 mg Ativan to put me to sleep for 8 hours and that was only the first month of use.  I do not know why I need so much, it's like I was immune to the stuff.  My body is weird that way maybe from all the drinking in my younger life.  Got up to 9mg very fast.  I did NOT get a break from the addiction however.  I am afraid that remeron my treat me the same way. Little effect and lots of addiction.  Maybe I better just quit messing with the pills I am thinking now. I think I will save the remeron for 2 or 3 nights per week only.

Benzos and alcohol are cross-tolerant, so that might explain why your benzo tolerance is  high. Taking remeron every now and then seems a reasonable idea. I know that some people do that.
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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2013, 01:38:49 pm »
Hi Buds,

Still not stabilized on this most recent mirt drop of mine. Current symptoms are dizziness, nausea, higher than usual anxiety and depression mixed, headache, burning arms, and weakness. Those are sort of the big ones. Not to the magnitude of benzo withdrawal, but not fun. Once I stabilize, I will be making radically smaller cuts in the future - no reason why not w/ the liquid form. Still not 100% certain if I am feeling the Remeron cut, or underlying benzo withdrawal healing still in progress. I don't think there is a way to know.
Ashton notes the symptoms of antidepressant withdrawal and her sort of rules-of-the-road for doing it. It validates the experience. I will keep you all posted... Thanks  :)
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ANTIDEPRESSANT WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS

PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS
      Gastrointestinal: abdominal pain, diarrhoea, nausea, vomiting
      Influenza-like: fatigue, headache, muscle pain, weakness, sweating, chills, palpitations
      Sleep disturbance: insomnia, vivid dreams, nightmares
      Sensory disturbances: dizziness, light-headedness, [...],
      pins and needles, electric shock sensations
      Motor disorders: tremor, loss of balance, muscle stiffness, abnormal movements

PSYCHOLOGICAL SYMPTOMS
      Anxiety, agitation
      Crying spells
      Irritability
      Overactivity
      Aggression
      Depersonalisation
      Memory Problems
      Confusion
      Lowered mood

Guidelines for benzodiazepine users who are also taking an antidepressant and wish to withdraw from both drugs

Complete the benzodiazepine withdrawal before starting to taper the antidepressant.

Allow at least 4 weeks after stopping benzodiazepines before starting on antidepressant withdrawal.

Consult your doctor before starting to withdraw the antidepressant and agree on a tapering schedule.

Antidepressant withdrawal must be gradual to avoid withdrawal effects.

    Make each dose reduction as small as possible, e.g. by halving the tablets or using a liquid preparation.

    If smaller doses are not available, reduce by taking a tablet every other day, then every third day, etc.

    Allow 1-2 weeks between each dosage reduction.

    If withdrawal symptoms are severe (Chapter 3, Table 2) increase the dosage slightly (e.g. to the dose at your last reduction). When symptoms have settled, resume withdrawal at a slower rate.

With slow tapering, as outlined above, withdrawal symptoms from antidepressants are usually absent, or if they occur, are mild and short-lived.
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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2013, 02:06:47 pm »
Hi [...]

This could be a reaction to both. Your CNS is still highly-sensitised to your Benzo withdrawals although I suspect Remeron is the main culprit here. It is a very nasty toxic drug. My own opinion is you may have suffered the same if you had done a 10% cut.  These will pass but, if I were you, wait till you are really stabilised before attempting to drop again.  They do say 6 weeks between drops don't they.

I am nowhere near ready to join you yet.  Am still in acute w/d from my C/T and trying to stabilise on 7.5 mg. 

I will drop by to see how you are getting along and [...] you feel better soon.

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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2013, 02:59:15 pm »
Hi [...] and [...], we're together in the struggle. I dropped 0.35 mg seven days ago and then another 0.35 mg two days ago. Physically I'm doing OK so far, but I do feel weird sometimes, like dizzy, or overwhelmed by the world, like processing things at a much faster pace, I don't know how to explain it. I decided to go a bit faster as my weight is really bothering me.
I [...] you stabilize soon. I'm amazed at how potent this drug is. After reinstating 1.5 mg, I was back to sleeping 9 + hours and feeling groggy. It's a nice effect, but by now I know damn well that you pay a high price for anything that comes from a pill, so I started tapering again as soon as I felt strong and rested.
Hang on in there!
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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2013, 04:03:11 pm »
[...], T. Lily - so much gratitude having you along for this journey. Truly. Thank you for being there. I assure you I will reciprocate.  :)

[...], my suspicion is the same as yours - that is that the culprit is the Remeron and also, that pretty much any sized cut would be [...] horrid feelings. I am totally on the same page w/ your advice in letting true stabilization occur and then dropping even slower, and more gradual, when the time comes. I get impatient. But this can't be a race for me. I get that. I [...] you level out on the 7.5 soon. Any improvement at all?

T. Lily, glad you are continuing to be able to cut. I know the weight issue bothers you. But I am fairly confident, given your stated diet and lifestyle, that you will be able to drop those pounds once you depart from the Remeron for keeps. Really happy that you are making progress.

Again, my sincere thanks, buds...

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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2013, 05:09:45 pm »
Hi [...]

I think it is a good idea to wait this out and I [...] you feel better soon.

Things are still pretty bad this end at 4 weeks on.  I think I have given my CNS a huge shock.  I have had a couple of days of partial windows but am now dealing with palpitations. GI issues, pins and needles but my worst symptom is burning feeling inside my chest.  I am still not able to eat much and have lost loads of weight. I think I am in for the long haul here.

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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2013, 05:36:51 pm »
Hi [...] -

Sounds terrible.  :( Good tho that the partial windows are appearing however. I'm not getting that burning feeling in my chest, it is going to my arms and legs. And morning sweats... Whoa...

I'm along for the long haul. Feel free to vent whenever. Sorry you are dealing with all of this too... So thankful for your presence though.

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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2013, 06:28:40 pm »
Hi [...]

Since I wrote my thread, I have been consulting on another excellent Antidepressants site.  I don't think I am allowed to type the link but it is Surviving Antidepressants.  The moderator and founder of the site Alto is extremely knowledgeable and has been following my Remeron crisis.

I have been having extremely high blood pressure from my doctor probably reinstating me at the wrong dose after my C/T.  The site advised me to reinstate low but I was under pressure from my husband and my doctor to reinstate at 7.5mg.

I had to call paramedics over to our house last night as I thought I was having a heart attack.  Needless to say, they told me it was just withdrawals. 

I am now following Alto's advice - she told me that the dosage is having an adverse effect on me (which would explain my chest burning and pins and needles) and to lower the dose to 6.5 mg straight away.  She said it will take about 4 days to get into my bloodstream and if I am having an adverse effect, it is the only thing to do.  This is not going to get any better and I don't want to risk a heart attack.

I am seeing my doctor tomorrow and I don't think he is going to be very happy but I trust Alto implicitly (I have no faith in doctors any more) and will deal with it.  I am hoping he doesn't put me on any BP medicine but it may have come to this.

I will keep you updated.

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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2013, 06:58:37 pm »
Thank you for the update, [...].

PLEASE keep me in the loop. I have had the BP issues as well, but have had success in keeping them reasonable w/ magnesium and hawthorne. My naturopath knows it is the withdrawal doing it, so won't even consider treating me for a true blood pressure issue until the drug is removed from my system.

Thinking of you and your family.

Check back when you can.

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[Buddie]

Re: Remeron (Mirtazapine) Withdrawal Support Group
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2013, 07:15:56 pm »
Hi [...]

That was excellent advice of your doctor.   It's terrible what this drug can do.

Will keep you updated.  I will take the 6.5mg for 4 days then Alto wants me to report back.

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