Private Rehab Center - Rapid Tapering from Diazepam

This is really a re-post from my substitutional taper thread, but is probably now more relevant to this new board,

I am currently 3 days away from my c/o from Xanax (2mg) nightly to Valium (40mg) and was going to begin substitutional tapering from Diazepam, with support from my family and friends, and hopefully a supportive Dr.

My parents have decided that they would rather send me to a Private Rehab Facility in South Africa (due to my older previous substance abuse as well) for a rapid taper - I am not sure how quickly the plan on reducing the doses, this is one of my most important questions I am going to be asking - (meaning I could be looking at some severe acute protracted w/ds ahead of me ) and then after care for a further 3 months if necessary...

I'm going to be speaking to the center on Weds so I will see about their procedures (I have tonnes of questions written down to ask) as they want to rapid taper me over 3 months (eeeeeek!!) and if they plan on c/t or I'm not happy with any of the procedures then even if it causes family issues I'm going to refuse.

I hope it doesn't as I'm really close with my Mother and she is probably my main support line, but I am not prepared to handle my BZD w/ds in any way I don't feel comfortable...

I have had a look at the Facility, and they have several Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Addiction Counsellors and Nurses available (but I guess this is a standard for most facilities). It tends to take a Holistic approach, which I am pleased to see, including activities such as Yoga, Meditation, Massage and various other activities (including Forest Walks - if I can even walk - and other things). However they follow the Minnesota method, and the 12 steps of AA/DA which I'm not really 100% comfortable with.

I'm really disappointed my family wouldn't even give the Ashton Method a chance, as there is a chance raper tapering could permanently damage or cause long term damage to my GABA receptors, and could lead to rebound Insomnia and rebound Anxiety...

The last thing I want is to relapse when I get back home, but in some cases some of the Private Rehab's try and make it sound like the best way, because I think that they could just want your money, and my Mom hasn't as of yet even consulted a Medical Professional (she will be seeing my Dr on Tuesday to ask her opinion) so we will see.

I'm just feeling a bit down about it because I know more about BZD w/ds than my family and I think they are rushing in too fast without even considering trying the Ashton Method (which I have provided them with the Manual though I'm not sure HOW much they have read of it) for a couple of months

While it would be nice to go somewhere new I'm not going to be able explore due to procedures and schedules of the facility and my probably intense withdrawals... *sigh*

I dont even know if I'll be allowed to access the internet over their to get support from Benzo Buddies :(

I guess I'll have more answers Weds and will keep you all updated.

I'd like to hear opinion's from other Buddies and any Buddies that have gone to Private Rehab Centers or Hospitals and their success rates...

Take Care, KD90

The acute treatment is 3 months and then 3 months aftercare, so a total of 6 months?

I would wait to talk with them on Weds and ask those questions you have.  I believe you will be able to find out if they truly understand benzodiazepine withdrawal.  Ask them specifics about their tapering program, how long, what they use and so on.  Have your parents read the Ashton's manual or have they seen any of the threads here?  Can they force you to go to detox?

I will keep my fingers crossed for you and that you can develop your own program according to your comfort level.  Keep us posted.

I am the Queen of Rehab having been in 4 programs last year from 10 days to 30 days.  I won't influence you by my opinion of the rehabs,  but I will say the best rehab for me was at home, and utilizing the information I gleaned from people here, then formulating my own plan.  I know this can be really complicated..

Skyy

My parents have decided that they would rather send me to a Private Rehab Facility in South Africa (due to my older previous substance abuse as well) for a rapid taper

KD90, that seems a bit drastic to me. Are you parents over-reacting or do you accept their arguments for a private rehab?

The acute treatment is 3 months and then 3 months aftercare, so a total of 6 months?

This is what I'm being told by my parents, but I'm not sure if they fully understand, so I will be enquiring about this on Weds.

I would wait to talk with them on Weds and ask those questions you have.  I believe you will be able to find out if they truly understand benzodiazepine withdrawal.  Ask them specifics about their tapering program, how long, what they use and so on.  Have your parents read the Ashton's manual or have they seen any of the threads here?  Can they force you to go to detox?

I intend on seeing their method of withdrawal from Benzos, and the period of time of the taper and what Benzo they would be using to taper. I've tried to get my Mom to read the Ashton Manual but I don't think shes read it all and I don't think she likes the idea of me being on them for another 1-2 yrs. Whenever I ask her about this, she just says she doesn't know and I think she thinks I want to drag it out as long as possible (WHICH I DONT - otherwise I would have never admitted it to her in the first place and just kept abusing habitually).

My dad on the other hand has no idea about drugs of any form (he told me that Benzos were derived from the opium poppy and that what I had been taking was synthetic Heroin [even though Heroin in it's pure form is synthetic -_-;] -in his own words-). This is why I told my mom she needed to consult a Doctor or other Medical Professional before decided on this method...

And no they can't force me to do anything as I am 21, but as I said their could be immense family reprecussions if I refuse, I just have to weigh this up with my health and see which I consider the most important.

Thanks for your input and support Skyy

My parents have decided that they would rather send me to a Private Rehab Facility in South Africa (due to my older previous substance abuse as well) for a rapid taper

 

KD90, that seems a bit drastic to me. Are you parents over-reacting or do you accept their arguments for a private rehab?

Zoner, it is a knee-jerk reaction and I'm hoping they will have time to consider more options, and not just ship me off as a result of this wasting a large sum of money.

I do accept their arguments due to prior substance abuse, but would much prefer to continue my Ashton Method Substitutional Taper in my home environment, to deal with my Anxiety problems in my real life

Thanks for your input.

Any more advice is welcome.

Take Care, KD

I hope you get the info you need on Weds to make a decision.  I will support whatever you choose!

Skyy

Hey Kd

how r u going.  mmmm dont know what to tell you i did a rapid detox in a private hospital/Wellness Clinic its liked to be known as.  Came of 45mg of valium in 18 days was let go on 2.5 of valium and it was hell.  Just back in to get of the last 2.5 which I did in ten days.  Look you just have to make an informed decision.  Just decide whats best for yourself however I know its hard when the family is keen for you to do this.

take care of yourself and hopefully you will come to the right decision.

Lizzy

Wow...

Not sure where to even start...

Hmmm...let's see.  First and foremost, are you an adult or are you under the age of 18?  In other words, do your parents have legal say as to what happens to you? Or are the threatening to kick you out if you don't obey them? I know it can get complicated which is why I am asking those questions.

Just gonna fast forward for a moment to 3 months after w/d. Your parents are angry that you aren't "trying" or "pushing" more. No one believes that you are in complete and total hell. Meanwhile you are in stuck in your bedroom because you are in too much mental, emotional and physical pain and ya want to blame whoever put you there. In this case...it will be your parents first, then the doctors, and then big pharma and everyone else who ever said anything bad about you. You will be in another world completely in awe of just how much pain and misery that benzos have brought down upon you. You may even consider reinstating or jumping off of a bridge...whichever one is closer. It will be painful and seemingly neverending. I don't care if they say they can safely detox you. Part of that is true...they can keep you from seizing, which is about all the medications do. At the most, they may even be able to hold off the worst part of w/d for the 3 months you are there, but then when it's time to come off of the meds, you can bet that w/d will be right there waiting to greet you. 

I could sugarcoat it and paint it with rainbows and butterflies, but I can assure you you will look back on this thread and wish to turn back time, because once that door is open my friend, it becomes a long painful, agonizing journey. I have yet to see a detox facility get someone off benzos in a gentle way. 3 months taper you say?  Phenobarbital is the most common anti-seizure that these facilities use. I am sure they could find some other anti seizure, but no other method is as effective as tapering from a benzo itself. If I had to go back and do this all over again and I would do everything I could  in order to convince my family. You are heading for a train wreck my friend. I am not telling you that to get your depressed or to upset you. I am telling you this so you can take the necessary steps to stop it before you can't turn back. Once you are in that place you are in that place for the duration unless your parents deside to spring you out of prison, so to speak. I am not sure how South African Detox centers do it, but I can sure as heck tell ya how American detox center's do it. I hope that South African detox centers are more advanced that the ones here in the U.S.

Show them youtube videos of other benzo w/d sufferers, go to recovery-road or benzo.org.uk and print out some of the great information they have, print out news articles that are right here on BB and other sites, show them success stories of others who have healed, do everything you can do avoid going to the detox unless you have NO OTHER CHOICE. Detox MUST BE your last resort. I can't stress that enough. 

I hope things work out for you..I really do. The thought of you going to a detox turns my stomach. What's the worst that could happen if you say "NO" to your parents??  This is YOUR brain and YOUR body.They are not the ones that are gonna have to suffer through this.  YOU WILL.

I really hope what I have written helps you in some way.

Chrisw

I am South African and spent 21 days in a private Rehab here in September 2011.  I was with Alcoholics, Meth, Cat, Heroin, Cocaine etc addicts.  The full duration of my detox was supposed to be 28days.  I watched all the other addicts 'recover' and go home while I just got sicker and sicker.  All I was ever given to help my w/ds was Atarax and Sodium Valporate.  It was absolute hell - I lasted 21days and when they decided that they did not want to risk me dying on their premises I was eventually transferred to a Psychiatric Hospital for a further 21days.  The first night there Benzo's were reinstated and I was polydruged with various SSRI's, Psychotics, Z-drugs which were chopped and changed every two to three days almost as if they were trying a "hit and miss" experiment.  None of the 4 psychiatrists (one being a Specialist Psychiatrist) nor any of the 3 Doctors that I consulted between Sept and Nov2011 knew anything about Gradual Benzo withdrawal and nor had any of them heard about the Ashton Method.

I spent a bunch of money on a private rehab. My insurance denied my coverage so it was all out of pocket. Anyways that really doesn't matter. And neither did the fancy place I stayed at. Your brain will go into shock from a rapid taper whether you stay in the Taj Mahal or the basement of your house. Your brain just doesn't care. It will FREAK the hell out!! I promise you that. Avoid this at all costs. Its a very long, dark, hard road when you take this route. I would of never believed it until i went through it. Protect yourself at all costs. Your the one that will have to suffer extreme withdrawl symptoms. And I mean Extreme!!!!! Not the people telling you to do it. Screw them. Run for your life!!!

Krock

Three months is a very short time to get off 40 mg of Valium, and if you've just crossed over from Xanax it would probably be better to take it slowly at first as your system is still adjusting.

If there's any way you can avoid doing this rapid program, in my opinion you'd be healthier and more functional and suffer less.  Maybe much less. 

Coming off rapidly doesn't really save time in the long run because there's that extended period of recovery afterwards.  Perhaps if you explain this to your parents it might help.

Krock

you dont say a whole lot but when you do you seriously come out with the funniest stuff.  Run for your life is right and its true im in a facility where all your needs are taken care of however NOONE BELIEVES IN WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS.  I definately know that its a dreadful road to follow.  It sure isnt the yellow brick road I would have preferred that.

anyway hope you are well.

Lizzy

I spent a bunch of money on a private rehab. My insurance denied my coverage so it was all out of pocket. Anyways that really doesn't matter. And neither did the fancy place I stayed at. Your brain will go into shock from a rapid taper whether you stay in the Taj Mahal or the basement of your house. Your brain just doesn't care. It will FREAK the hell out!! I promise you that. Avoid this at all costs. Its a very long, dark, hard road when you take this route. I would of never believed it until i went through it. Protect yourself at all costs. Your the one that will have to suffer extreme withdrawl symptoms. And I mean Extreme!!!!! Not the people telling you to do it. Screw them. Run for your life!!!

 

Krock

You are so right Krock, If only I could go back in time and do a long taper, but back then there was no information, and I believed my GP who said I was mad and there was no such thing as a benzo withdrawal symptom.  My life has been and remains hell.

Polenta

I would like to take the time to thank everyone who has responded and given advice and support to me in this time of need, I have read each post and taken on board what everyone has said, and wish I had the energy to respond to each post personally, but please know your advice and support has been greatly appreciated. You're all amazing

I spoke to the Rehab Center, and they have reassured me on a few questions I had (though I am not done with the questioning yet, and don't think I'm naive enough to think the reassurance isn't for security of my admittance ) so I have an idea of schedules and levels of treatments.

I am going to see my Doctor again tomorrow morning to see his opinion on the situation and have provided him with the Ashton Manual to read over, and some notes on my usage. I'm pretty sure he is just going to say Rehab is the best way to go.

I know I'm going to be suffering in hell, and probably want to die, but my Family is the most important thing to me, even more than my Health, some people won't understand and think I'm completely insane, and I probably am and would like to take this post to reiterate RAPID WITHDRAWAL OR COLD TURKEY IS THE WORST WAY TO GO.

They have had success stories too with other way more long-term Benzo users than me, which was nice to hear.

My Mom has also assured me that if this doesn't work and I come back even worse, then we can try the Ashton Method.

I'm really scared and I know that this is totally the wrong choice to make to withdraw, but due to my circumstances and situation, I'm not prepared to run away from the only people who make me happy, and I want to make them happy, and if I have to pay for my mistakes through suffering, I'm prepared to do it.

I will keep you all updated as I know more information and see what the Doc has to say.

Thanks again for all the support, and hope you are all doing well too.

Peace, KD

Hey KD...

Hang in there. Just know all your options before making a very serious choice. Remember this is ONLY going to be YOU that is going to feel what this w/d can do. Family can do there best to understand .But truth is They CANT. They literally CANT.

You can make good with whatever mistakes you may think you have done.But you do NOT have to do it to the extreme Suffering.Please look into a nice long slow taper. I did a C/T and I promise you its nothing short of a Nightmare . You will heal whatever you decide. But C/T or rapid detox can lead to severity of sxs and Lengthen amount of time . Can leave you Non Functional and

for some like myself Bedridden for months on end. Stay strong and again please make your decision based on Knowledge and not other peoples Opinions. Or what They think is the right way for you to go!

~Jenny

I would like to take the time to thank everyone who has responded and given advice and support to me in this time of need, I have read each post and taken on board what everyone has said, and wish I had the energy to respond to each post personally, but please know your advice and support has been greatly appreciated. You're all amazing

 

I spoke to the Rehab Center, and they have reassured me on a few questions I had (though I am not done with the questioning yet, and don't think I'm naive enough to think the reassurance isn't for security of my admittance ) so I have an idea of schedules and levels of treatments.

 

I am going to see my Doctor again tomorrow morning to see his opinion on the situation and have provided him with the Ashton Manual to read over, and some notes on my usage. I'm pretty sure he is just going to say Rehab is the best way to go.

 

I know I'm going to be suffering in hell, and probably want to die, but my Family is the most important thing to me, even more than my Health, some people won't understand and think I'm completely insane, and I probably am and would like to take this post to reiterate RAPID WITHDRAWAL OR COLD TURKEY IS THE WORST WAY TO GO.

 

They have had success stories too with other way more long-term Benzo users than me, which was nice to hear.

 

My Mom has also assured me that if this doesn't work and I come back even worse, then we can try the Ashton Method.

 

I'm really scared and I know that this is totally the wrong choice to make to withdraw, but due to my circumstances and situation, I'm not prepared to run away from the only people who make me happy, and I want to make them happy, and if I have to pay for my mistakes through suffering, I'm prepared to do it.

 

I will keep you all updated as I know more information and see what the Doc has to say.

 

Thanks again for all the support, and hope you are all doing well too.

 

Peace, KD

KD,

First, let me say that I totally understand your position. I was in the same position myself. I went through an intervention and listened to my family. I even said to myself before detox, "I am doing this for my family because I don't want to lose them" because at that point I had no self-worth at all. I was so miserable in tolerance w/d for years and I had added in pain killers too just to cope. I was a complete and total mess. I couldn't even see who I was at that point. Had I gone for much longer the way I was I would have certainly died...I am sure of this.

One thing I couldn't prepare myself for, no matter how much information I gathered on benzo w/d, was the level of pain and misery associated with going this route. Ashton doesn't even explain the level of horror and misery associated with this process. She merely studied it and explains it from a medical stand point which does nothing to encapsulate the level of dispair one feels while going through this. I really really think you aren't listening to what we are saying...I am sure you are hearing us...but I don't think you are truely grasping the level of our urgency to avoid this method of w/d. I don't know how to attach the right word or words to fully make you see that this choice will be a choice more important than any other choice you will make in your life. The truth is...you may only see what we are talking about after the choice is already made.

Here is the catch...depending on how long you are in detox for, the window for reinstatement is generally around the 30 day mark. Anything past the 30 day mark and you risk making w/d worse...or having to go through a long painful taper in tolerance w/d.

I hate to be all doom and gloom, but I wouldn't be earnest in my attempt to offer advice if I didn't try to discourage this method of w/d to my best ability.

On the bright side...at least your family will be there. You may just have to prepare for the fact that either way ya go (reinstatement then taper after detox or staying the course with the detox w/d) may be somewhat of a long and drawn out journey. It is not impossible by any means, but it CAN be avoided by doing a sensible taper. I do understand the reason for strongly considering this method for I had to go this route, too. Just know that BB will support you no matter what. 

Chrisw

Hi KD,  I just wanted to chime in here and let you know that I did an 8day detox of the remaining 20 mgs of valium,  after about and year of tapering. 

I survived and have healed.  You will too.  It was hard and scary but we deal with what we have to deal with and we survive.

I am not encouraging or discouraging here.  I just wanted to tell you that it is not always fatal,  that our brains are designed to heal and yours will too.

Take good care and believe in yourself.  It's amazing what we can get through when we believe in ourselves.

much love to you Zoe

offandrunning

What a lovely post and nice to hear.  Poor kid is so young and doesnt need to be further worried however everyone is just concerned.  I to came off very rapidly and yes I have been through hell but im coming out the other side. 

There are hundreds of thousands of people who come of benzos as I have questioned the doctors so many times and its still common to c/t and rapid taper and there are people who have no issues at all. I understand the risks and dangers and am not advocating either way. 

Im just worried about KD90 being scared to much now that he has made his decision and want him to feel we are a true support to him and dont want him to feel like he has been frightened away from the forum.

KD90 sending you lots of healing healthy vibes you way.

Lizzy

KD...

I did a C/T so YES you will Heal! I don't think its a matter of that. What I do think however is What you may have to go through to get There is more Important.

The Shock that occurs to the brain is Immense and having every bit of comfort ripped from you is beyond tolerable. The lose of Mind,Body,And Soul can leave a Human searching every were for help. And finding next to No were to receive it! I think if any of us have walked the road of C/T or Rapid Detox owe it to another person who may be entering this Horrific path the honest Truth of what they may be in for.. I hope you understand KD its because we would never want to see you going into this with out Fully knowing what you could be Facing!!! Good Luck.. And I hope whatever you should choose its a Choice you make on complete Understanding and Clarity for Yourself.. And what could be in store for you..

P.S Lizzy your very right . But its a gamble .Russian roulette wether or not C/T or Rapid Detox will leave him on the floor begging for relief .Because hes so Young I think Pacifying him and telling him softly maybe a disservice to his immediate future.. I would never want him to go through 1 day of what I did let alone 15 months and for some longer.. Its so hard. I hope your doing well Lizzy

~Jenny

I know Jenny

I want to get him and bring him out to Australia myself and wrap him in cotton wool until this crap is over for him.  I just cant stand that he will go through hell but it seems like he isnt having much of a say really.  Another person having his choices taken away from him.  Im older and was influenced by my family who had no idea either.  When I was on 4mg of x my dad came up to me I was like crying on the couch and he said you need to stop taking that stuff and I stopped 2mg that very day and didnt know what the hell had happened to me.    Then 2 weeks later the doctor said oh my you did so well stopping the last 2mg drop the other 2 and you know what I just did because the person i trusted told me to.  Reinstating never worked and then crossing over to valium was bad to what was the point for 18 days. 

I know the influence that families can have and they are so uninformed.  Im letting go of the anger because there is no point.  These last eight months have been hell I would never wish it on anyone as you would not. 

Im home anyway and now for the healing to begin still thinking im clearly mad yet I live another day.

Love to you

Lizzy

Lizzy... Wow..

You really did go through alot. Im so sorry. I can relate to the hell so much .Im sorry you had this happen to you!!!! Im so glad your home.Now your on your way Fully to Healing 

I know about the family influence. Its got a hold on us. I do believe if familys and loved ones fully knew what would happen and what we would have to Endure they would be singing a different tune.They just want us better and dont realize the severity of this drug.

My family is wonderful and they have seen me Tackle some seriously hard stuff.So they thought Jennys got this. Oh yea she can do it. LOL. Then they saw me start to Break .They were like OMG... They just didnt know.Neither did I. Thats why I feel its so very important that anyone thinking of this road needs the Hard Facts so in hopes to save them this Extreme Suffering!!

Proud of you Lizzy Way to GO!!!!

~Jenny

Jenny

love when you say on your way fully to healing love love love it.  Because without the hope there would be none right.  Im glad your family is supportive thats the main thing. woops better not hijack this poor kids thread.  I will visit you tomorrow and post some random ramblings for you.

Lizzy

I just want to reply to ALL and thank you for your kind words...

Chrisw - I know I should avoid this at all costs, I actually have quite a moderate Pharmacological knowledge and know exactly what I'm in store for if I do go, and that I will be either bedridden when I come home, or reinstate and have to taper AGAIN, with my Father's wasted money and his hatred of me for not thinking that I tried hard enough.

I am waiting for the Dr to email me back with procedures for the detox, and how quickly they plan on tapering or what substitute drugs such as Gabapentin/Pregabalin or Phenobarbital... If I do not agree with the detox procedure or c/t is mentioned at all, I won't go - it's as simple as that. It's been proven that rapid tapering causes long term GABA receptor damage (even though there is a chance it can heal), and c/t would be even worse.

Unless the CDT (Community Drug Therapy - who I'm waiting to speak to after seeing my Dr who has passed my info and the Ashton Manual onto CDT) agree with me and think the Ashton Method makes more sense (which I highly doubt they will) it's understandable that my parents don't want me to be still addicted to the drug while tapering for 1-2 years. What I have tried to explain is that if the detox doesn't work out, I'm probably going to be bedridden for 6-12 months, they just keep saying, well how do you know until you try the Rehab Center.

So, in a way, without running from them, which I won't do, the only choice I have if CDT recommend the Minnesota Method, is to give it a go, and prove to them that it didn't work.

Or who knows - maybe I'll be posting on here telling you how amazingly okay and tolerable it will be. (Just so everyone knows, no internet access during primary care (28 days), but you can bet your butts I'll be on here giving you updates).

Thanks for your input, I know you're just really concerned, and I am too, and believe me I am being very well informed and I won't be forced into a decision. My Mom has said that if I come home worse than when I was using substitutional tapering, that I can try the Ashton Method, or she would support me through further withdrawals, so it's nice to see that she has some slight inkling that this may fail, and has been listening to my rambling.

You're advice and knowledge has been completely taken on board !

Zoe - Thanks for your reassurance, glad to hear at least one success story albiet a painful one.

Jenny - You're always so concerned (in a good way), it makes me feel very supported and if I have any other option than rapid tapering I will, just a bit of a sticky situation as you can see from my response to Chrisw, I know you just want me to be in the least pain possible - but I've got myself into this situation, and will suffer the pain if given no other choice (believe me, I don't want to suffer the pain, and I have a friend who c/t'd and I experienced first hand, so I know what I'm in for to some degree). I do take this seriously, and thank you very much for your kind words.

Lizzy - You always say the right things and are always so supportive, and I wish I could come out to Australia so you could wrap me up so I didn't have to deal with this crap ! The thing is I have tried so many times to explain to my Mother, but because she's never experienced BZD w/d's firsthand, I think she thinks I exaggerate as I want to prolong the period on the drug, WHICH IS THE LAST THING I WANT! If I go to Private Rehab, and come back looking/acting half-dead, she will understand I was right, and will finally see that I had done vast research and she has said that she will do everything in her power to help me. I may be young but after everything I've been through, I feel about 30 already Her point which is completely valid is that due to my prior substance abuse, it could change my way of thinking about Drugs completely, and I know it's all out of Love.

Again, I still don't know any definates until I hear back from CDT, thanks for everyone's concern and support, this board gives me so much hope, even in the darkest times.

Expect updates, again I can't thank you enough. You're all so lovely and would like to hear updates from you all on your progress too!

& Lizzy and Jen feel free to hijack, it's all relevant to healing anyway

Peace & Hugs, KD

offandrunning

 

What a lovely post and nice to hear.  Poor kid is so young and doesnt need to be further worried however everyone is just concerned.  I to came off very rapidly and yes I have been through hell but im coming out the other side. 

 

There are hundreds of thousands of people who come of benzos as I have questioned the doctors so many times and its still common to c/t and rapid taper and there are people who have no issues at all. I understand the risks and dangers and am not advocating either way. 

 

Im just worried about KD90 being scared to much now that he has made his decision and want him to feel we are a true support to him and dont want him to feel like he has been frightened away from the forum.

 

KD90 sending you lots of healing healthy vibes you way.

 

Lizzy

Maybe he needs to be scared. I am not gonna tell him he will be fine no matter what because cold turkey statistics would tend to contradict that statement. Now is the time to do what you can to make somewhere aware of the path they are about to take. He is still on the meds so there is a layer of medication you have to get through just to try to reach the real him on the inside. On those meds most of us were so apathetic to our lives and what happened next.  You can try to spare someone's feelings, but at what point are you hurting them by sparing there feelings from what they need to hear?  Had I known more of the truth and had someone been totally real with me about what to expect, I may have avoided the pain that continues today. Truth is...none of us know how long this will last, but we do know that the odds of becoming protracted seem to be affected by our method of w/d. Why mess with those odds, ya know?

Chrisw

KD...

 

I did a C/T so YES you will Heal! I don't think its a matter of that. What I do think however is What you may have to go through to get There is more Important.

 

The Shock that occurs to the brain is Immense and having every bit of comfort ripped from you is beyond tolerable. The lose of Mind,Body,And Soul can leave a Human searching every were for help. And finding next to No were to receive it! I think if any of us have walked the road of C/T or Rapid Detox owe it to another person who may be entering this Horrific path the honest Truth of what they may be in for.. I hope you understand KD its because we would never want to see you going into this with out Fully knowing what you could be Facing!!! Good Luck.. And I hope whatever you should choose its a Choice you make on complete Understanding and Clarity for Yourself.. And what could be in store for you..

 

P.S Lizzy your very right . But its a gamble .Russian roulette wether or not C/T or Rapid Detox will leave him on the floor begging for relief .Because hes so Young I think Pacifying him and telling him softly maybe a disservice to his immediate future.. I would never want him to go through 1 day of what I did let alone 15 months and for some longer.. Its so hard. I hope your doing well Lizzy

~Jenny

Thanks Jenny....my point exactly.

Lizzy... Wow..

 

You really did go through alot. Im so sorry. I can relate to the hell so much .Im sorry you had this happen to you!!!! Im so glad your home.Now your on your way Fully to Healing 

 

I know about the family influence. Its got a hold on us. I do believe if familys and loved ones fully knew what would happen and what we would have to Endure they would be singing a different tune.They just want us better and dont realize the severity of this drug.

 

My family is wonderful and they have seen me Tackle some seriously hard stuff.So they thought Jennys got this. Oh yea she can do it. LOL. Then they saw me start to Break .They were like OMG... They just didnt know.Neither did I. Thats why I feel its so very important that anyone thinking of this road needs the Hard Facts so in hopes to save them this Extreme Suffering!!

Proud of you Lizzy Way to GO!!!!

~Jenny

Yes...same here.  I am not gonna spare someones feelings in risk of jeopardizing their overall well-being. Nope...not when it comes to this horrible process.  I will worry about their feelings once they have detoxed, but if I can prevent that in some way by giving them the truth then that's what I will do.  I know you share the same philosophy Jenny. Thanks for chiming in. I always appreciate your perspective. 

Chrisw