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[Buddie]

Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« on: January 11, 2012, 09:06:34 pm »
I don't like this dry cutting stuff. Dr offered crossover to V or liquid Ativan. Thoughts, experience advice? Not really wanting to do the V, but willing to listen!
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 10:40:44 pm »
I don't like this dry cutting stuff. Dr offered crossover to V or liquid Ativan. Thoughts, experience advice? Not really wanting to do the V, but willing to listen!

Hi Michelle....you can read my signature line to see my relatively short Ativan history....but last spring when I got down to `1mg Ativan dry cutting, I just kept having interdose withdrawals and I was dosing 4-6 times a day.  I finally found Ashton and BB and crossed from 0.75mgs Ativan to 7.5mgs valium. Right away things got smoother and I slept real good until I got down to around 5mg Valium.

It is hard to be as accurate as you need to be when dry cutting Ativan so the liquid can help you so you do not need to use a fraction of a pill. Some people worry about depression or drowsyness with Valium....I did not have that problem but I crossed at a lower dose. You could taper on Ativan until you are at 1mg and then cross to 10 mgs valium and go down from there. I only had to dose twice a day with Valium and if I missed by a few hours it was no big deal......Valium is just so much easier that Ativan to taper on IMO. If you go this way get a script for the 5mg and 2mg tablets (you can get most combinations with halves of these....and when you are down to 1.5mg Valium use the liquid to add in fractional doses. I hope this helps.
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 01:27:22 am »
Thanks KL! Was it hard to taper the V? Im just lost with my tier. I have no idea what to do next.. Some say drop the 3am, don't drop the 3am.. Just confused.
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 01:28:25 am »
I used the liquid ATivan to taper Ativan and it worked well and was a lot more accurate in the doses I took.
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 05:03:40 am »
Thanks KL! Was it hard to taper the V? Im just lost with my tier. I have no idea what to do next.. Some say drop the 3am, don't drop the 3am.. Just confused.

I always had at least some mild morning nausea/anxiety while tapering on Valium but it was more predictable and I could have slowed down my taper and maybe been even more comfortable...but even the bad was better than the best of times tapering on Ativan. I am not sure if you are talking about a 3am dose of ATivan or of Valium.?? After I switched to Valium I only dosed twice a day. My morning wd symptoms started around 4am so I dosed at 2am and later also at 2pm....sleep was not as big an issue then. IF my daily dose was 6mgs V, I would take maybe 4mgs in the morning and only 2mgs at night.......again because mornining symptoms were worse. However, when I was back on Ativan all my doses had to be even and right on time....at least 4 times a day.

I think Sunny is also giving you some good encouragement to use the liquid Ativan instead of dry cutting if you stay with Ativan for a while. Liquid is just so much easier and more accurate.
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 07:26:28 am »
Michelle
We sort of have a lot in common.  I have been dry cut tapering.  I was on, for a relatively short term, ativan/Lorazepam at 2mg now tapered down to 0.2mg/day over 7 months (I'm very sensitive to this stuff).  Only got this far with 4 doses/day weighed on a lab scale once below .8mg.  Having interdose crashes handled with 3 other meds because I am somewhat seizure prone.  About to switch over to compounded liquid ativan/Loraz with a syringe included for accuracy.  Only reason I did not switch over to Vallium is my brain is already swiming in a chemical soup and it also redudes interdose crashes alot plus I did not want to add any more variables. BTW some think ativan wd doesn't get "interesting" until you get below 1mg/day.  (I could not have done it w/o the other meds).

Long story -short if you taper on ativan you are probably going to want the accuracy of the liquid compounded stuff as you get lower.  Very few people appear to have tapered here (due to interdose crashes) Beeper appears to be the ativan wd expert, aslo see Teacher 2.  There is a lot to be said for vallium vs ativan per prof ashton and then the's your thyroid issue.

My wife had her thyroid out also about the same time as you and, as you know it can be a roller coaster ride at times.  "the thyroid solution" by arem (Prof in TX) is by far the best book she has found.  Turns out docs in different regions of the US handle treatment of post- thyroid removal very diffierntly. She and others also feel Prof. Arem's approach to be best.  Another heads-up, we just found out taking certain antibiotics or anti-yeast pills can change the amount of thyroid med needed for a long time (T3& evenT4).
Hope I didn't over whelm you you with info but thought you should know.  I can usuallay be found at KD and Friends buddy blog.

At BB we're here to support you whatever decission you make.  David B
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 02:37:57 pm »
Thanks everyone! Well the dr will do liquid or Valium. I just want some relief. David.. I have the thyroid solution book! I thought having my thyroid out was hard.. That was a cake walk compared to this crazy stuff. Do you think if I switched to the liquid, it could help resolve a little of my tolerance w/d? I'm honestly afraid of the V. Just afraid of change...
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 04:17:51 pm »
I'm not sure there is really any relief from "tolerance withdrawal"...the whole thing about tolerance is that you no longer get the effect from the medicine that you used to.  I hit tolerance with Klonopin and I increased the dose and it only made my anxiety worse..it just wasn't going to work anymore...

I tapered off 2 mgs of liquid Ativan..I did it too fast, so take it slow..but I was so sick no matter what dose i was on I just rapidly got off it and "bit the bullet"...
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 07:29:35 pm »
Michelle

Are you actually in "tolerance" now on ativan? 7 mos at 2.5mg does'nt seem long enough, but we are all different.  The more accurate and frequent your 4-6 doses/day the less interdose crash, but ativan crashes can get "interesting" at .8mg an below.  Per Prof. Ashton Vallium has a half life of about 200hrs vs 10 for ativain so wd on vallium should be about 20 times smoother?  I don't think Ativan tapers are done per Ashton and very rare at BB.  I often say it is in human nature (and I include myself here)  that we only change when,in our mind, it is less painful to change than to try to continue to maintain the status quo.  I do understand where you are coming from, [...] switched from ativan to vallium at about.  .7mg/dy due to interdose crashes.
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[Buddie]

Re: Liquid Ativan? Yes , no?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 07:47:05 pm »
David- can you explain what tolerance is? Is it where I am symptomatic between doses? I feel it in the morning and evening sometimes.seems like after my period is here.. Takes awhile to get back on track. How long is one on their current dose before the tolerance kicks in?
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