Fluoride Toxcitity

It was mentioned in the buddy space that maybe this topic can be stickied seeing that it is important to benzos.  This is the website that explains a lot about quinolones:

 

http://www.fqresearch.org/

Thanks, HockeyGal.

 

The site is really the definitive site for those who suspect they have been 'floxed'.

 

i am reposting a portion of what i wrote on StoneyCo's Blog yesterday in hopes it may be beneficial to anyone struggling with this like we are.

It's interesting....we are warned against taking Fluorquinolone Antibiotics during a benzo withdrawal, but Patty and I had them the other way around with the same consequences.

 

Also, it might benefit people to read about Fluoride Toxicity. Just Google it and you will be appalled and amazed. Who knows if it has an effect on benzo withdrawal, but to me it makes sense to eliminate it as best i can....leaving no stone unturned here!

 

Yesterday's post:

 

Hi Patty,

It's been awhile since we had our (much appreciated) discussion. I know you have been struggling lately and hope things are getting better.

 

as you may remember, i thought i was just going through a difficult baclofen/benzo withdrawal until i recently discovered i'd been given a fairly high dose of Cipro for seven days for a routine urinary tract infection.....just 6 weeks prior to being put on Baclofen by a neurologist for muscle cramps.  now that i look back, i had lots strange symptoms...probably from the Cipro...at the time i went to the neuro. my CNS was already fried and i added to it. the remainder of the year i went through many neuro and blood tests, coming up with nothing.  

 

So, that brings me to this point. i am struggling with neuro symptoms that seem to be worsening at 16 months post 'floxing'. lots upper body weakness, difficulty chewing, really weak neck, loss of some motor skills, vibration, tongue getting fatigued when trying to speak, muscle atrophy, loss of collagen is skin, etc, etc, etc. A scary mix.

 

i have recently cleaned up everything possible in my life in an effort to avoid any form of fluoride. Seems i thought i was drinking pure water from my ZeroWater pitcher, but alas, the fluoride remained. 2 weeks ago i had a reverse osmosis water filter system installed, i am eating totally organic (expensive, but for now food is medicine), and limiting shower time.

 

I am sharing this with you and others just on the outside chance that fluoride toxicity is exacerbating benzo withdrawal symptoms. Amazingly, it causes many of the same symptoms as b/w and it is in so many things: non organic meat and fish given antibiotics, pesticides used on non organic fruit/grains/veggies and the newer antidepressants. if nothing else, it certainly doesn't hurt to be cautious.  

 

End Yesterday's post

 

i look forward to hearing from anyone with ideas or experience regarding this topic:  fluoride and benzo withdrawal.

 

I was just looking up some more things jeanie and there are a few antibiotics that contain it but they never said what ones.  I am getting ready to go to work now and don't have time to check it out and probably won't be able to do it until the weekend but whatever I can find I will post it here.

 

I mean the fluoride toothpaste that I use has specific instruction on it not to swallow it too.

 

jeanie I know they say not to take ibuprophen with the floxins but I am wondering what about now that we are off?

Was wondering if the moderators could sticky this thread so it doesn't get lost because we feel it's a really important one for this board.

Hi HockeyGal.

 

While we would not sticky this actual thread, the idea of having a sticky topic of antibiotics to avoid is a good one. I've often felt it would be helpful.

 

The team will get together and discuss it.  As you know, we've been working to get chat and PM's back up, but we'll definitely discuss this.

Thanks Missy.

 

Here is a list that I found on th enet:

 

http://www.slweb.org/ftrcfluorinatedpharm_antib.html

jeanie here's another one:

 

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/index.html

Thanks hockey gal. Another good link. Tomorrow I'm going to post a couple that I found.

 

I think perhaps this thread should be renamed 'fluoride toxicity' because there is interesting information for everyone here. Our cumulative exposure to this poison on a daily basis needs to be explored as far as exacerbating benzo withdrawal. To me it makes so much sense!! Why wouldn't daily exposure to it in water (drinking and showering), foods and dental products be adversely affecting us??

 

I'm exploring the possibility for sure.

 

Jeanie

Thanks hockey gal. Another good link. Tomorrow I'm going to post a couple that I found.

 

I think perhaps this thread should be renamed 'fluoride toxicity' because there is interesting information for everyone here, not just those who took a quinolone antibiotic or ssri antidepressant. Our cumulative exposure to  this poison on a daily basis needs to be explored as far as exacerbating benzo withdrawal. To me it makes so much sense!! If the toxin in the flouroquinolone meds is fluoride, why wouldn't daily exposure to it in water (drinking and showering), foods and dental products be adversely affecting us??

 

I think I may have found a partial key to why my taper has been so brutal. Perhaps I've been re-poisoning myself making healing elusive. I'm exploring the possibility for sure.

 

Jeanie

 

Soudns good about the re-naming of the thread but I don't know how to do it!

 

Is there any sensitive teeth toothpaste out there that doesn't contain fluoride because that's what I have to brush my teeth with due to pain?

You can click "modify" in the first post and change the title in the "Subject line" if you'd like to change the name of the thread. 

New thread title.

New thread title.

 

Thanks and done!

 

Lucky for us here we don't have fluoride in our tap water.  They were made remove it a few years ago.

 

I am really mad about stuff like this because you know I was just about healed from benozs and then this has put me back a bit.

This is a long, but interesting read. Of course, I'm not positive it is affecting me (us), but..............

 

"Fluoridation could turn out to be one of the top 10 mistakes of the 21st century."

~Dr. Hardy Limeback, National Research Council, 2006 Review of Fluoride Toxicity

 

The symptoms of Fibromyalgia exactly match those of the most severe form of fluoride poisoning or systemic fluorosis.

 

Fibromyalgia:

A condition that eventually cripples most of those who develop it with a laundry list of debilitating symptoms including: brain fog, severe muscle & joint pain, thyroid dysfunction, muscle spasms, numbness, chronic fatigue, irritable bowel, hair loss, vision problems, spinal & cranial calcification & kidney dysfunction.

 

"For more than fifty years the words "chronic fatigue" have been synonymous with the first stage of a condition known as systemic fluorosis, or chronic fluoride poisoning. In fact, so well known is that particular association that motion picture director Stanley Kubrick would use it in his dark satire, Dr. Strangelove, to describe the moment his character, Gen. Jack Ripper, came to develop his fruity theories on the dangers of fluoridation.

 

By contrast, only a handful of the world's leading experts on fluoride toxicity have long been aware that the symptoms of the emerging condition known as "fibromyalgia" exactly match those of the most severe form of fluoride poisoning. This little known fact was quietly highlighted by the intense focus on potential Sarin gas exposure for the nearly 200,000 veterans of the first Gulf War who have quietly become the largest single group to ever develop fibromyalgia. Despite the lack of evidence of mass exposure, it remained telling that the top authorities on a nerve gas known to derive all of its toxicity from fluoride proved they could not tell the difference between the lingering effects of Sarin exposure and the symptoms of fibromyalgia.

 

While the majority of veterans blamed the preventative medications they'd been forced to take as the source of their illness, fearful military leaders shifted the focus away from those drugs so quickly that few seemed to notice that Sarin gas was not the only potential source of toxic fluoride exposure. Only as more and more veterans developed fibromyalgia and its related conditions in the years since the end of the 1991 Gulf War, including many who did not even leave the US mainland, have those soldiers and committed researchers been able to slowly pressure the military to focus attention back on those drugs.

 

The VA now stands at the center of the fibromyalgia controversy, attempting to explain to the medical community...

 

(1) How the seemingly harmless sounding chronic fatigue syndrome relates to fibromyalgia, a condition that eventually cripples most of those who develop it with a laundry list of debilitating symptoms including: brain fog, severe muscle & joint pain, thyroid dysfunction, muscle spasms, numbness, chronic fatigue, irritable bowel, hair loss, vision problems, spinal & cranial calcification & kidney dysfunction?

 

(2) What hundreds of thousands of largely male veterans might have in common with the estimated 8-10 million Americans, mostly women, who have now developed a crippling condition that seemed to emerge out of nowhere in the early 1980's?

 

When I developed my case of fibromyalgia from 2 months of Cipro, a widely popular fluorinated antibiotic that is normally prescribed for 7-10 days at a time, no one really knew why I'd become sick. But that changed in late 2001, when many of the key questions regarding fibromyalgia were unexpectedly answered. For as a few anthrax-laced letters made their way into the US Mail system, thirty thousand people were suddenly put on 2 months of that very same medication. While most had not been exposed to anthrax, the CDC encouraged that Cipro be used for an extended course as a purely precautionary measure. However, as the medical community closely monitored those individuals, they began to notice the appearance of disturbing side effects. So severe and so widespread were those side effects in fact, that many were openly encouraged to stop taking the drug and switch to a "safer" medication.

 

For a drug that had been prescribed over 200 million times, largely to women with urinary tract infections, the medical community was at a loss to explain why the extended treatment seemed to lead to such a widespread reaction. Things only worsened over time though. Among those who had stopped taking the medication, many began to realize that their so-called side effects were actually permanent. And even more remarkably, many months after the treatment, it was observed that everyone of those sampled that had completed the full two month treatment appeared to develop those same, permanent, crippling symptoms; symptoms that exactly match those of the emerging condition known as fibromyalgia.

 

Not an allergic drug reaction as it turned out, but rather a universal toxic reaction to a fluoride based compound known as fluorophenyl. The same compound found in the now infamous cholesterol-lowering drug Baycol and weight-reducing drug, Fen-Phen. While the impact of Fen-Phen on the heart muscle consumed most of the focus back in 1997, some fibromyalgia groups have since tried to bring attention to the fact that the drug also appeared to be linked to fibromyalgia and its related conditions. Such a connection was highlighted for me when I met one of the long-standing support group leaders of the Minnesota Chronic Fatigue Syndrome & Fibromyalgia Assoc., who had developed her disabling case of fibromyalgia (which eventually put her in a wheelchair) after an extended treatment of Fen-Phen.

 

Of course, when the fluorinated drug Fen-Phen was taken off the market in September of 1997, very little attention was paid to the fact that the non-fluorinated version of the same drug remained on the market. Nor was much attention paid to the fact that just months before, in April of 1997, the FDA had forced toothpaste manufacturers to dramatically upgrade their warning labels after suddenly "discovering" that fluoride was severely neurotoxic. EPA scientists in Washington DC quickly followed the unpublicized FDA action by calling for an immediate end to the practice of adding fluoride to the water supply, writing in their official letter of opposition that, "Like most Americans, including many physicians and dentists, most of our members had thought that fluoride's only effects were beneficial - reductions in tooth decay, etc. ... We are [now] compelled to consider the likelihood that humans are experiencing damage to their brains and kidneys at the 'optimal' level of 1ppm."

 

Already deeply concerned over studies demonstrating fluoride's considerable power to mutate genes, EPA scientists began to move aggressively against the controversial additive they had long supported after learning that one of the most prestigious dental research centers in the US, the Harvard-affiliated Forsyth Institute, had recently proven that fluoride was also severely neurotoxic. As similar studies appeared to confirm those disturbing findings, investigative journalist Joel Griffiths would inform Forsyth's noted neurotoxicologist-turned whistleblower, Phyllis J. Mullenix, that her so-called discovery was not in fact a discovery at all. For not only had the 20th century's top experts on fluoride toxicity, Kaj Roholm & George Waldbott, long warned of fluoride's severe central nervous system effects, but recently declassified documents revealed that the original champion of fluoridation, Harold C. Hodge, one of America's most influential toxicologists, who in his final days guided every step of Mullenix's research, had long ago buried evidence demonstrating the extreme neurotoxicity of fluoride himself.

 

The startling documents, uncovered by journalists in the wake of a 1995 presidential investigation, revealed that while supervising the injection of toxic doses of radioactive plutonium into unsuspecting hospital patients to gauge its effect on the human body (as Director of Toxicology for the Manhattan Project), Hodge had simultaneously championed the idea of dumping toxic fluoride waste into the water supply under the guise of protecting children's teeth. Only, with millions of tons of fluoride waste generated from the enriching of uranium, Hodge's only concern had been to find a way to dispose of the massive amounts of fluoride required to make nuclear weapons. With the threat of an arms race already looming, Hodge invited the research labs of major industrial fluoride polluters to help cover up evidence of fluoride's extreme toxicity, including its central nervous system effects, all in the interest of "national security." On January 25, 1945, five days after the uranium diffusion plant in Oak Ridge, Tennessee became fully operational, Hodge achieved his secret objective, as Grand Rapids, Michigan officially became the first city on earth to be artificially fluoridated.

 

In August of 2005, just months after journalist Chris Bryson's landmark book "The Fluoride Deception" revealed new evidence of buried research by the men who had supposedly proven fluoride's safety on behalf of the dental community, 13 EPA unions, representing more than 7000 public health toxicologists, chemists and other scientists, joined forces to call for a nationwide moratorium on fluoridation and a congressional investigation into its adverse effects. With alarm over the brain and kidney damaging effects of fluoride growing, concerned scientists have begun to observe how closely the symptoms of fibromyalgia and its related conditions appear to match the symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning. While few paid much attention to the list of symptoms described by Dr. George Waldbott, MD, the founder of the International Society of Fluoride Research and corresponding scientific journal "Fluoride", when his 1978 book "Fluoridation: The Great Dilemma" was first published, those familiar with the fibromyalgia related conditions have been stuck by the apparent connection.

 

The following unedited symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning, authored by the leading authority on fluoride toxicity only a few years before the first mass cases of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia were reported, appear on page 393 of the book "Fluoridation: The Great Dilemma"...

 

Chronic fatigue not relieved by extra sleep or rest

Headaches

Dryness of the throat and excessive water consumption

Urinary tract irritation

Stiffness in muscles/bones (arthritic-like pain)

Aches in lower back, neck, jaws, arms, shoulders, legs

Muscular weakness

Muscle spasms (involuntary twitching)

Tingling sensations in fingers (especially) and feet

Gastrointestinal disturbances

Abdominal pains

Blood in stools

Diarrhea Bloated feeling (gas)

Constipation Tenderness in stomach area

Feeling of nausea (flu-like symptoms)

Pink-red or blu-red round or oval bruise-like spots on the skin that fade/clear up in 7-10 days

Skin rash or itching, especially after showers or bathing

Mouth sores (also from fluoridated toothpaste)

Loss of mental acuity and ability to concentrate

Depression

Excessive Nervousness

Dizziness

Tendency to lose balance

Visual disturbances

Temporary blind spots in field of vision

Diminished ability to focus (possible retinal damage)

 

Thanks to medical specialization and the often-slow progression of symptoms, those who develop most of the major symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning and are eventually diagnosed with "fibromyalgia", frequently share the experience of being treated like hypochondriacs, as one symptom after the next emerge, are diagnosed & treated separately by physicians. As a result, by the time the condition advances to include nearly the entire list of symptoms (including debilitating "brain fog", or what Waldbott termed the "loss of mental acuity and ability to concentrate"), the fibromyalgia diagnosis has often been preceded by such labels as "chronic fatigue syndrome", "depression", "hypothyroidism", "irritable bladder", "irritable bowel syndrome", "multiple chemical sensitivity syndrome", and "myofascial pain syndrome", among others. Labels aside, whether or not those who suffer from fibromyalgia have been officially diagnosed with each of these related conditions, the overwhelming majority have symptoms of each and therefore understand from experience that they are all elements of a single underlying condition.

 

Although the relative newness of fibromyalgia and many of its related conditions are often debated, what is not is that medical specialists began observing their sudden widespread appearance beginning in the early 1980's. In fact, so dramatically did the number of those suffering from the most debilitating symptoms ramp up, that by the end of the decade, Frederick Wolfe and the other leading rheumatologists who had only just gathered to define "fibromyalgia" a few years earlier, abruptly went their separate ways under mounting pressure to explain its sudden emergence. While the focus of the fluoride controversy has long been centered on the water supply, the anthrax letters of 2001 demonstrated how highly toxic forms of fluoride now available in select prescription drugs may be playing a considerable role in the emerging epidemic. For if a fluorinated antibiotic like Cipro (in a drug class developed in the early 1980's), can universally induce what is essentially the most severe form of fluoride poisoning in just 2 months, imagine how far down the road all those women are who have consumed mere weeks of the widely popular antibiotic.

 

All this brings to mind the key objection of the 14 Nobel Prize winners in Chemistry & Medicine, including the 2000 Nobel Laureate for Medicine, Arvid Carlsson, that have warned against the practice of dumping fluoride waste into the nation's water supply. For even before fluoride was known to be severely neurotoxic by more than a handful of experts, some of world's top scientists expressed grave concerns about the potential long-term damage that might result from adding the powerful enzyme poison to any substance that might be ingested, given its ability to accumulate in the human body. Ironically, not only have such warnings not been heeded, but it is precisely because of fluoride's cumulative nature that it has been increasingly added to prescription drugs. In adding an element that does not tend to leave the body, fluorinated drugs become significantly more potent than their non-fluorinated counterparts.

 

However, as the leading experts in fluoride toxicity have cautioned for decades, there is also a huge risk in adding even minute quantities of fluoride to each new drug. For not only do they add to the already dangerous levels of the cumulative neurotoxin in our diet, but it is entirely possible that certain prescription drugs could potentially fragment within the human body and reform hyper-toxic fluoride compounds, such as fluoroacetate. Given that there is a well-known delayed reaction between the point such forms of fluoride enter the body (or are formed in the body), and when symptoms begin, each new drug represents a potential time bomb; a truly nightmare scenario made infinitely more likely with an FDA run by Wall Street analysts, appointed specifically to fast track drugs and allow drug companies not to have to monitor their long-term, chronic toxicity. That there was a delayed reaction in the onset of symptoms for most veterans of the first Gulf War, as well as the victims of the anthrax letters treated with Cipro, it seems increasingly likely that fibromyalgia represents just such a worst-case scenario.

 

Regardless of the specific form of fluoride involved though, perhaps the most compelling evidence linking fluoride to the cause of fibromyalgia may actually be reflected in the work of a few leading fibromyalgia researchers, who have unknowingly been uncovering key elements of fluoride toxicity that have long been the focus of the top experts in fluoride toxicity... .

 

(1) R. Paul St. Amand - with EPA scientists focused on the brain and kidney damaging effects of fluoride, this leading fibromyalgia researcher discovered guaifenisen as a treatment for fibromyalgia (and all its related conditions) after observing that every case appeared to be linked to a dysfunction of the kidney tubules. In treating thousands of patients, St. Amand has effectively proven what the top expert in fluoride toxicity, Kaj Roholm, suggested long ago in his definitive reference guide "Fluorine Intoxication", which is that the kidneys lay at the root of nearly all the crippling symptoms, including the severe cognitive impairment termed "brain fog."

 

(2) Michael J. Rosner - the fibromyalgia researcher who pioneered the highly controversial surgery to remove spinal and cranial calcifications (where fluoride is well known to accumulate) that frequently develop in those with advanced cases of fibromyalgia. Promoted by groups like the National Fibromyalgia Research Association, this element of fibromyalgia mirrors what is arguably the most unique element of extreme chronic fluoride poisoning, known to experts in fluoride toxicity as "skeletal fluorosis."

 

(See 2nd and 3rd phase changes to the osseous system on page 142 of Roholm's "Fluorine Intoxication" for a complete description)

 

(3) Garth and Nancy Nicolson - renowned immunologists who began studying fibromyalgia when their daughter returned home from Iraq at the end of the first Gulf War complaining of symptoms. In developing the highly sophisticated mycoplasma test, the Nicolsons demonstrated that immune dysfunction was a key component of fibromyalgia. Discovered that male veterans afflicted with the condition appeared to spread fibromyalgia sexually to their female partners through an unusually high incidence of recurring urinary tract infections. Presumably unaware of the potential connection to fluorinated antibiotics, the Nicolsons went on an unsuccessful search for a potential contagious biological agent that might be able to explain the rapid rise in fibromyalgia.

 

Ultimately, I know from experience that those suffering from the "brain fog" associated with fibromyalgia may have great difficulty comprehending what I have written here. To those people I say, you really only need to know one thing about the connection between fluoride & fibromyalgia, and that is this: if fluoride is indeed the cause of your condition, you will see a dramatic improvement in your symptoms simply by minimizing your exposure to fluoride. In this way, you can not only prove or disprove the cause of your condition, but even potentially make yourself better at the very same time. In my case, it was only by avoiding... (a) fluorinated drugs [those with "fl" in the chemical name], (b) fluorinated vitamins & supplements [even residual exposure to fluoride from other ingredients, such as those in many multi vitamins], © fluoridated water [using only distilled, reverse osmosis water instead], (d) fluoride-rich foods [i.e. tea, foods with water added, etc.], and to a lesser extent, (e) fluoride-based pesticides [i.e. sulfuryl fluoride]... that I was able to reduce how fast fluoride built up in my bloodstream and induced my symptoms of "fibromyalgia."

 

Today, I know I owe my very life to whistle blowers like Dr. Phyllis Mullenix. While the noted neurotoxicologist only highlighted one particular element of fluoride poisoning, it was a critical one that allowed EPA scientists and others to begin to open their eyes to the growing body of independent scientific research that has slowly begun to expose "fibromyalgia", "chronic fatigue syndrome", and a variety of related conditions, as merely labels for the various symptoms, or stages, of chronic fluoride poisoning. Dr. Don Goldenberg, the noted rheumatologist who first introduced fibromyalgia to the much of the medical community with his 1987 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), once wrote of fibromyalgia, "We should concentrate on treating the symptoms of chronic illness, not searching for a cause." His statement mirrors the current mindset of much of the medical community, who offer to treat the myriad of debilitating symptoms related to fibromyalgia as if they are wholly unrelated to one another, as if the cause doesn't matter. Well, I can tell you from experience, the cause certainly does matter."

jeanie what an interesting read.  Thanks for posting that.  You know my dr knew that I had a reaction to floxins before yet prescribed them for me again.  I think he thinks it was all in my head.  The pharmacist where I get my drugs filled also said that I could take an Advil with the Floxin as well but it's a good thing that I had the sense to ignore that advice and took a Tylenol or else I would probably have had a convulsive seizure.

 

From looking at the lst that I posted I see that Lipitor is on that list.  My parents take that drug.  My Dad had open heart surgery in 2000 and was feeling fine after it and used to walk for 45 minutes every day at the age of 74.  After being put on Lipitor it all went downhill after that.  He has shortness of breath (he also had a mitral valve that doesn't close but that was like that since he had his surgery) but I am wondering if his shortness of breath is coming from the fluoride in the Lipitor instead?  My mother has no problems like that.  The worst is that if they take him off that and change it to Crestor it's still the same thing--fluoride involved.

jenie I don't know if I can post this here or not but this might be of interest to you:

 

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/fqtoxicity/

Yes....i know about that group. it is a 'read at your own risk'. Very tragic and depressing stories, so i stay far away from it (but didn't always). We are all on our own healing journeys here, and i know it doesn't help me to know about the worst case scenarios. However, i am up there with the worst of the 'cyberchondriacs' in my quest to shed any light on what i'm experiencing.

 

i also want to add some info to the 'fluoride in medication' topic. I had another BB point out to me that there is a fluorine atom added that helps it penetrate, not actual fluoride.  He said you get more fluoride by just brushing your teeth. He suggests reading the peer studied research on PubMed to learn more about this topic.

 

Personally, i am now (and forever more) going to try to avoid fluoride in any form just based on what i have recently learned about it. i believe exposure can't possibly help, and can maybe exacerbate side effects from these toxic meds.

 

jeanie

It was mentioned in the buddy space that maybe this topic can be stickied seeing that it is important to benzos.  This is the website that explains a lot about quinolones:

 

http://www.fqresearch.org/

 

I really hope the moderators don't sticky this thread!  There is so much bad information in it.  Even the owner (Dave) of www.fqresearch.org will tell you it has nothing to do with the added fluorine ring.  This class of drugs were called Quinolones before they added it.  I believe all of them have been pulled off the market for human use in the U.S. due to toxicity.  Once they added the fluorine ring they then became known as Fluoroquinolones.

 

The only good information here is to never take this class of drugs.  People who have NEVER touched a benzo in their life are having the same symptoms as benzo withdrawal except some are having tendon ruptures.  Fluoroquinolones have a blackbox warning right in the prescribing literature warning of this.  

 

 

Yes Kenneth, the error about fluoroquinolones has been addressed.

 

I am a graphic designer, not a scientist or researcher. I'm merely on a journey of exploration.

since i am trying to learn all i can, i would appreciate any info you can add re: fluoride.

if not let me know what you consider to be the really erroneous info.

if it's that bad, maybe i can see about deleting the entire thread.

i would in no way want to be guilty of passing along ANY misinformation.

 

that is why i passed along the PubMed info so people can do their own research, if interested.

 

thanks,

jeanie

True jeanie and hence the reason that the name of the thread was changed.  They said the same thing in the yahoo group too.

j

However there can be no doubt that fluoride does have an adverse affect on the CNS and it is contained in a lot of medications.  Why do people think that it as removed from water supplies?  Here's what I read on another board regard floxins:

 

Nalidixic acid was the first quinolone and it has warning of tendon rupture, this compound doesn't contain fluoride.... The CNS toxicity effects can be attributed to various reasons such as activation of the NMDA receptors, and also from selective antagonism of the GABAA receptor by quinolones

 

I just downloaded a book from Kobo Books called Bitter Pills: Inside the Hazardous World of Legal Drugs.  I am going to read it when I get the other book that I am reading read.  It will be interesting for sure.

I am also trying to educate them about benzos over there too but it seems to be falling a bit on deaf ears.  I told them that you can build up tolerance to them but it doesn't seem to work.  I guess I tried.  I can't do anymore.  Someone over there said that if they only take it when they really need to they can't get addicted.  I never posted a reply because I couldn't think of what to say but now I remember that I used to take Ativan for weeknight insomnia and leave it alone Friday and Saturday.  Guess what happened?  After a week I couldn't get to sleep Friday and Saturday withouth it either.

Regarding flouride, I've avoided it for years. I've done a lot of research. It is pure poison.

 

Kat

Hi Kat....

just wanted to add a big congratulations for recently getting off of Ativan!!! I'm coming up right behind you....well, at my rate, maybe another 4-5 months.

 

Thank you Jeanie!    I wish you all the best in your coming withdrawal!  So far the symptoms have been relatively light...basically no real serious problems so far.  I hope this encourages you and others when they read this.

 

Kat

guys guess what?  There was fluoride in the toothpaste that I was using for my sensitive teeth and I switched to Toms of Maine Fluoride Free.  When I was brushing with the other toothpaste my teeth had a lot of yellow spots on them.  In the past two days they have greatly disappeared and my teeth are almost back to what they once were.

 

Levaquin now has TWO black box warnings and not just one!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levofloxacin

Hockeygal, another good "toothpaste" is Eco-Dent, one we've been using for many years.  It's in a powdered form, and has no glycerine.

 

Kat