Author Topic: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam  (Read 464 times)

[Buddie]

Been on clonazepam for 15 years and currently at 1.75mg (having tolerance withdrawl and do not wish to go up but wish to taper off).

Where do I start? Any help would be super appreciated. I’d like to go slow, perhaps 5% a month as I’m dealing with a slowly dying parent and then all of the after stuff like estate, legal stuff, taxes, etc. Life’s brutal right now but I want to start a micro taper. These tolerance withdrawals are not making it any easier.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks folks.
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2022, 09:37:54 am »
I am sorry your parent is ill and life is stressful for you but having been in tolerance at one time myself, I can see how that would make things more difficult for you.  Have you already tapered some of your clonazepam and if so, how have you done it?  If would be helpful if you gave us some background.  Here is how you add your signature/medication history:

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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2022, 03:33:20 am »
I am sorry your parent is ill and life is stressful for you but having been in tolerance at one time myself, I can see how that would make things more difficult for you.  Have you already tapered some of your clonazepam and if so, how have you done it?  If would be helpful if you gave us some background.  Here is how you add your signature/medication history:

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I think I worked out a decent plan on a spreadsheet.

1st 150 days at 1.75 in 350ml of milk I will pull 1ml each day - total 42.9%
2nd 150 days I will be at 1mg in 300ml of milk. I will be at 71.2%
3rd 150 days I will be at .5MG in 150ml of milk - to zero.

It’s all a reduction of around 8-9% per 30 days (give or take)

I tried to make it as even as possible.
450 days total (probably with some holds in there but hopefully not).

I was a heavy drinker so I will not be absorbing anything in Vodka. No Vodka allowed in my house. My wife does like her glass of wine once in a while but that’s all the booze allowed. It’s a personal thing
How does this sound Benzo buddies?

I ruled out dry cutting because I live in a small 3dr condo with three children running around and didn’t want to look like Walter White in my small kitchen with scales and shit.

I ordered:

A pill crusher (good one)
A pill cutter (good one)
A Mason jar with plastic lid
4 smaller jars for dosing (I think I’ll dose 4 times per day)
50ml syringes
20ml syringes
10ml syringes

I think that covers it.

Not too fast and not too slow (slower than the recommended 10% per 14 days from what I have seen here).

Good?
« Last Edit: May 09, 2022, 03:39:59 am by [Buddie] »
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2022, 09:39:28 am »
I'm glad you've come up with a plan you are comfortable with.  I dry tapered until I couldn't cut any longer because the doses were too small and then I switched to a liquid taper very similar to yours.  I tried dissolving clonazepam in milk and water and it didn't dissolve in either (in my kitchen :-) so I used water to taper and I shook it vigorously before dosing and dosed immediately.  I didn't use alcohol for the same reason you aren't using it.

I know what you mean about feeling like Walter White - it felt a bit sinister to be crushing and mixing drugs in my kitchen but it was for a good cause  :-)

Good that you are giving yourself permission to hold when/if necessary.  A good taper plan is one of the keys to success but it should have some leeway built into it.  It also would be helpful if you kept a journel to track your progress and any symptoms you have along the way.  Withdrawl symptoms and how you are functioning in your daily life are good guide as to how you are doing and can give you clues as to when and if you need to hold.

I look forward to hearing about your progress [...].   :thumbsup:
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2022, 03:03:04 pm »
Tip of the hat for recognizing the importance adjusting your taper plan on a regular basis to keep your taper rate in the ‘just right for [...]’ range!  Your initial plan looks solid but please do revisit it on a regular basis (e.g. once a month). 

I strongly encourage you to follow [...]’s suggestion to keep a daily taper journal.  Your journal will be your primary data source for determining if your taper rate is too fast, too slow, or ‘just right for [...].’  It can be as simple as the date, times and amounts of doses, and a rating of your withdrawal symptoms and functionality levels (0 = no symptoms, no functionality issues; 10 = intolerable symptoms; unable to function).

I do have one slight concern with the approach you’ve proposed  —  drug loss due to surface transfer when using the pill-crusher.  To address this, after you finish crushing your tablets, you could add some of the milk to the crusher, swirl it around to remove any surface residue, add the rinse liquid to your mixing container, then add the remainder of the milk.

Or, you could forgo the pill crusher.  Instead, split your tablets to expose more surface area, put them in the mixing container, and add a little bit of water to ‘jump start’ the tablet dispersion (disintegration) process. (If you go with this option, you would need to make a slight adjustment in the amount of milk you use to account for the extra amount of water.)

In case you’re interested ….

The use of whole-fat, homogenized milk to prepare homebrew clonazepam liquid has a long and successful track record here on the forum.  My understanding of the theory behind why milk works is that clonazepam molecules are lipophilic (fat-liking) so they have an ‘affinity’ for the fat globules in the milk.  In homogenized milk, fat globules are evenly distributed throughout the milk so the clonazepam molecules are as well.
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2022, 05:33:14 pm »
Tip of the hat for recognizing the importance adjusting your taper plan on a regular basis to keep your taper rate in the ‘just right for [...]’ range!  Your initial plan looks solid but please do revisit it on a regular basis (e.g. once a month). 

I strongly encourage you to follow [...]’s suggestion to keep a daily taper journal.  Your journal will be your primary data source for determining if your taper rate is too fast, too slow, or ‘just right for [...].’  It can be as simple as the date, times and amounts of doses, and a rating of your withdrawal symptoms and functionality levels (0 = no symptoms, no functionality issues; 10 = intolerable symptoms; unable to function).

I do have one slight concern with the approach you’ve proposed  —  drug loss due to surface transfer when using the pill-crusher.  To address this, after you finish crushing your tablets, you could add some of the milk to the crusher, swirl it around to remove any surface residue, add the rinse liquid to your mixing container, then add the remainder of the milk.

Or, you could forgo the pill crusher.  Instead, split your tablets to expose more surface area, put them in the mixing container, and add a little bit of water to ‘jump start’ the tablet dispersion (disintegration) process. (If you go with this option, you would need to make a slight adjustment in the amount of milk you use to account for the extra amount of water.)

In case you’re interested ….

The use of whole-fat, homogenized milk to prepare homebrew clonazepam liquid has a long and successful track record here on the forum.  My understanding of the theory behind why milk works is that clonazepam molecules are lipophilic (fat-liking) so they have an ‘affinity’ for the fat globules in the milk.  In homogenized milk, fat globules are evenly distributed throughout the milk so the clonazepam molecules are as well.


Good call on the pill crusher. I didn’t even think about that. It’s not the kind where I could submerge it in milk so I’ll take your advice and just cut them up into pieces and dissolve.

I was reading some forums here last night and it looks like I need to tackle the Ambien first or else I can “kindle” myself (Zolpidem is a benzo in disguise) from what I’m reading. Dammit. 

I thought it might be helpful during K withdrawl/taper but looks like I have it backwards.

So I should tackle that first and get through it.

Wondering how to taper that nasty stuff. Any recommendations?
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2022, 05:42:32 pm »
And the shape my Ambien comes in (auribindo pharm) is not really cuttable. The 10mg tablet has an E 79 stamped on it. Kind of shaped like a bath tub. Hmmmmm what to do.

You can’t just quarter it. Most you can do is half it.

Any advice on tapering Ambien would be appreciated. Maybe a liquid? I don’t know.
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2022, 06:11:07 pm »
I'm glad you've come up with a plan you are comfortable with.  I dry tapered until I couldn't cut any longer because the doses were too small and then I switched to a liquid taper very similar to yours.  I tried dissolving clonazepam in milk and water and it didn't dissolve in either (in my kitchen :-) so I used water to taper and I shook it vigorously before dosing and dosed immediately.  I didn't use alcohol for the same reason you aren't using it.

I know what you mean about feeling like Walter White - it felt a bit sinister to be crushing and mixing drugs in my kitchen but it was for a good cause  :-)

Good that you are giving yourself permission to hold when/if necessary.  A good taper plan is one of the keys to success but it should have some leeway built into it.  It also would be helpful if you kept a journel to track your progress and any symptoms you have along the way.  Withdrawl symptoms and how you are functioning in your daily life are good guide as to how you are doing and can give you clues as to when and if you need to hold.

I look forward to hearing about your progress [...].   :thumbsup:

Thanks [...]. I hope I have better success with dissolving than you did *fingers crossed*

Looks like I need to tackle the Ambien first :facepalm:

Any advice on tapering that would be appreciated. Not sure how to go about that. What % cuts, how often, etc. I didn’t even know it has its own withdrawl symptoms (I take 15-20mg per night) ugh.

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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2022, 07:08:50 pm »
I don't know why my clonazepam didn't dissolve in whole milk.  I crushed it first but maybe it was the manufacturer - it was a generic brand.  We have a support group for Ambien and other Z drugs and here is the link.  Hopefully you can get some useful information there:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=97331.0
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[Buddie]

Re: Need help figuring out how to liquid micro taper clonazepam
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2022, 07:28:32 pm »
I don't know why my clonazepam didn't dissolve in whole milk.  I crushed it first but maybe it was the manufacturer - it was a generic brand.  We have a support group for Ambien and other Z drugs and here is the link.  Hopefully you can get some useful information there:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=97331.0

Thanks a ton!
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