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[Buddie]

New to scale- few questions
« on: April 04, 2022, 03:32:47 pm »
Any one else cut a .125 into 4 parts which equal .03? I do this with my sublingual tabs. I don't think it's 100% exact as some powder falls off but I feel like it's close enought.

Honestly, all this talk of shaving and cutting, water, etc. is foreign to me. I bought a scale but it's so confusing to me any only weighs in grams. I am NOT a math person so I need easy peasy.
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[Buddie]

Re: Cutting .125 into 4 parts
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2022, 08:26:19 pm »
Dry cutting is actually the easiest way to go about this so if you're fairly confident in this method I say keep going.   If you decide you want to go the scale route we can help you.
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[Buddie]

New to scale- few questions
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2022, 08:57:38 pm »
New to the scale. Few questions.

First my scale numbers donít always stop they go up and down with a measurement - I can get between .8-.11 on same pill??

Why use a tray? Why not just put pill right on scale?

Here are my calculations - something seems off but seems close
Weighed a .125mg Klonapin (dissolvable)  to convert to grams. Scaled showed this when I cut it up:
.125 = 28g
.06= 16-20 (scale kept moving)
.03= .8g
.01= .3

How can I get this more precise?
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[Buddie]

Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2022, 08:59:58 pm »
I'm not proficient but I can ask someone to drop by. 
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Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2022, 09:41:10 pm »
New to the scale. Few questions.

First my scale numbers donít always stop they go up and down with a measurement - I can get between .8-.11 on same pill??

Why use a tray? Why not just put pill right on scale?

Here are my calculations - something seems off but seems close
Weighed a .125mg Klonapin (dissolvable)  to convert to grams. Scaled showed this when I cut it up:
.125 = 28g
.06= 16-20 (scale kept moving)
.03= .8g
.01= .3

How can I get this more precise?
[...] suggested I stop by.

You do not need to use the tray.  Just tare it to zero before putting your drug on it.

Yes, the numbers move all over at low weights.  The scale is not repeatable at low values.  Most people can get by with it.  You can be more exact if you add a powder to force the scale into a more linear range.  Here is a link:  https://benzodrytapermath.com/

It is very complicated to do that link.  Only do it when you absolutely need to.  For example, many people get by with reducing 1/8 of a pill and hold for two weeks or until their symptoms are tolerable. They use a razor blade to get close to 1/8 bits.  The little bits can be measured by eye and placed into an empty gel capsule.  See this link  https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PYV3L6K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

If you want more help, you need to be more careful with your decimal points.  You wrote 0.125 = 28 grams.  Did you mean 0.28 grams or 0.028 grams?
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[Buddie]

Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2022, 01:48:59 pm »
Thank you so much. This was extremely helpful.

Few follow up questions... you said " For example, many people get by with reducing 1/8 of a pill and hold for two weeks or until their symptoms are tolerable. They use a razor blade to get close to 1/8 bits.  The little bits can be measured by eye and placed into an empty gel capsule."
Why the gel capsule? And not just take the small cut without a capsule? I'm getting the capsule helps with crumbs? I take the wafers so they dissolve on tonge so unsure how a capsule would effect this.

Second, There is no way I can do powder. I work full time and have two kids and I'm terrible at math. It just wont work for me. What are your thoughts on a compounding pharmacy?

Lastly, what you do you think of my taper so far... I think I'm doing approx 6.5 %  (.465 from .5).... is this too fast after 10 years? The only way to go slower is to try to get the 1/8th of a .125 pill and we are talking about imperfect, dust, crumbs and a scale that won't tell me the weight!

Thanks so much!!
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Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2022, 02:00:39 pm »
We have members using compounding pharmacies so if you have one nearby it can greatly simplify your situation. 
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[Buddie]

Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2022, 02:03:28 pm »
You might find it helpful to read through past posts from member wavesontheshore. She dry cut clonazepam Orally Disintegrating Tablets (ODTs - manufactured by Par) until she got to a very low dose at which point she switched to a liquid.  (She hasnít been active on the forum since August 2019, but Iíve included a link below to her posting history.)

FYI Ö As the name implies, ODTs are designed to quickly disintegrate in saliva when placed on (not under) the tongue.  The clonazepam in the ODTs does not dissolve (as in go into solution). It enters the body the same way as the clonazepam in regular tablets (via the intestinal tract).

We have many members who have discontinued clonazepam successfully using a compounded oral suspension.  Iíve included a link to a commonly used, stability-tested formulation below.

Links:
Show Posts - wavesontheshore
http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=88888

0.1mg/mL Clonazepam Oral Suspension from Nationwide Childrenís Hospital
https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/-/media/nch/specialties/pharmacy/compounding-formulas/clonazepam-oral.ashx

Edit: Added link to posting history
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Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2022, 02:57:12 pm »
The best reason for using a gel capsule is so you can gather up all 8 doses of crumbs and store until needed.  If you are worried about swallowing the capsule, remember, just before taking the dose, you can unscrew the capsule and pour the little bits onto or under your tongue.

Yes, the powder method is only for people who have first tried all the easier methods.  My favorite easy method is this one:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whpciMUXHfY&list=PLq27kC29XVsNRJ38NeslvT14h2j0UQjEf&index=2&t=5s

For you last question about taper speed.  IMHO, after years of reading posts, I see a pattern. Long term benzo users can usually taper very fast at first.  They get away with this for months and often reduce their benzo by as much as 75%.  But then they hit a wall.  If feels like all the reductions built up and hit them all at once.  So then they updose but that seems to make it even harder once they start to taper again.

It would be wise for you to keep a daily journal of your dose, your symptoms, and any life events creating stress.  Review your journal often to notice any trend before it gets too bad.

If you do the 1/8 reductions, then each time you do it, hold for at least 2 weeks or until your symptoms are tolerable.
If you do the liquid video link, the taper is automatically slow.  You just pick how many days you wish to finish (e.g. 300 days) and then start with that about of liquid (300 mL).

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[Buddie]

Re: New to scale- few questions
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2022, 04:00:30 pm »
Bob,

Thank you again!! So I watched the water taper video. I think I could do that. Few questions (as always).... where did she get her base water amount of 300ml?
That would have to be done daily correct?
 
So, I could drop in a .5 tablet in 300ml. Shake it up. Subtract one ml and drink the rest and that would be .49? This almost seems so easy I want to try now...
Do this daily and drop a ml how often for a slow taper?  If my 6% drop proves too much I think I may move to this method.

We will see....
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