Author Topic: Switching benzo  (Read 770 times)

[Buddie]

Switching benzo
« on: March 28, 2022, 06:08:54 am »
I started traipsing 1.25 clonazepam three months ago going very slowly because I am not stable. I haven't been stable for a year and a half while on full dose, then one day it just quit working!  Developed severe anxiety, panic and agoraphobia seemed like overnight. Any way trailer is not going well and I'm still bed ridden so thinking of trying the Ashton crossover to Valium.
Problem is I don't really know where to start as she starts her graph at 1.5mg three times a day and I have already started taper and am down to 1mg dissing 4 times a day. How do I adjust our where do I start on her table?  I hope this makes sense
Need to figure out how to convert my dosage to Ashton
My dosage
1mg four times daily
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[Buddie]

Re: Crossover help
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2022, 10:30:05 am »
[...], you asked about finding a benzo-wise doctor on another thread so I am guessing your current doc isn't giving you the support you need?  I know that finding a compassionate doc or NP to help with this process isn't easy but I think looking around in your community for someone you can connect with would be so helpful for you.  Making the switch to diazepam works for some and not for others.  Perhaps this might be you 'next step' - see if you can locate a doc or NP nearby. What are your thoughts?

Addendum:  consider looking for an addiction specialist if you don't find a name on the website I gave you a link for.  I realize your problem is not addiction but that sort of doc would stand a better chance of knowing how to get someone off benzos.
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[Buddie]

Re: Crossover help
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2022, 10:58:56 pm »
You also mentioned in another thread you'll be using leftover Valium, how much do you have and will it enough to allow for a slow taper?

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[Buddie]

Re: Crossover help
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2022, 11:24:05 pm »
My crossover from K to V was a failure. Not sure I'd bother with it. Liquid microtaper off K may be better.
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[Buddie]

Re: Crossover help
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2022, 04:42:57 am »
My crossover from K to V was a failure. Not sure I'd bother with it. Liquid microtaper off K may be better.

I'm not sure it'll help but I'm in such tolerance I thought maybe by switching I might get some relief from this anxiety.
How did inpatient go for you? Well you let me know if you think you suffered more by doing inpatient. I just don't know if I can do this slow taper. Before starting taper I have been in I guess what's called tolerance withdrawal for almost two years of being agoraphobia, bedridden and so full of anxiety like I've never felt before and that was while I was taking my regular dose. Been thinking rehab.
Another reason for trying to switch is trying to figure out these cuts is making me crazy. ..how do you do a liquid taper on k?
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Re: Crossover help
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2022, 04:55:41 am »
[...], you asked about finding a benzo-wise doctor on another thread so I am guessing your current doc isn't giving you the support you need?  I know that finding a compassionate doc or NP to help with this process isn't easy but I think looking around in your community for someone you can connect with would be so helpful for you.  Making the switch to diazepam works for some and not for others.  Perhaps this might be you 'next step' - see if you can locate a doc or NP nearby. What are your thoughts?

Addendum:  consider looking for an addiction specialist if you don't find a name on the website I gave you a link for.  I realize your problem is not addiction but that sort of doc would stand a better chance of knowing how to get someone off benzos.

I am having a hard time finding a psychiatrist and a therapist, they all seem booked out for months. I have tried to find an addiction specialist in my area but no luck. I looked on Google and found some but it seem like they worked out of a facility  and not private practice. I don't remember you sending me a link, could you send it again?
I tried doing the night switch to Valium last night but it didn't seem to go so well, for some reason my heart rate went up and felt sick to my stomach. I am going to try again tonight but not sure it's going to work out. I was hoping by switching I might get a little relief from this anxiety!
I don't know how I'm going to do this when my original anxiety is still so bad...this anxiety is 24/7 non stop I am getting no relief, even the propranolol isn't helping much. I try deep breathing, distraction nothing gets my mind of all this.
I do worry about hearing that Valium can cause depression as I already am depressed. What's your thought on switching? Just looking for a little relief
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[Buddie]

Re: Crossover help
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2022, 05:05:50 am »
You also mentioned in another thread you'll be using leftover Valium, how much do you have and will it enough to allow for a slow taper?

The psychiatrist I was working with, we just didn't connect on a lot. When I first mentioned the crossover she said she wouldn't prescribe two benzos at the same time, but she did mention trying a direct switch that did not work out at all, so I think if I can get the switch to work and stop the clonazepam I could go back to her and she would probably be okay with giving me Valium. Her and I just really didn't get along as she was always trying to put me on more and more drugs that I didn't agree with and I only get so many insurance covered visits and don't want to use them on someone that isn't willing to work with me.
Not sure the switch to Valium is going to work,  I think I did the calculating of the doses correct. Since the first week she suggests doing half your original dose which for me I was taking .25mg at night so I cut that in half to .125mg and added in 2.5mg Valium, actually had to take a little extra half way through the night. Am I calculating right?
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[Buddie]

Re: Crossover help
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2022, 09:33:41 am »
Here is the link to the site with info about benzo-wise docs:

https://www.benzoinfo.com/
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Re: Crossover help
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2022, 01:14:52 pm »
FYI The Benzodiazepine Information Coalition (BIC) has updated its website. Here is a direct link to the information about what BIC now refers to as ‘Benzodiazepine Cooperative Prescribers’:

https://www.benzoinfo.com/doctors/

The above page now includes a helpful video titled ‘10 Tips to Finding Medical Help with Benzodiazepine Cessation’ featuring Dr. Christy Huff (the director of BIC).
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Re: Crossover help
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2022, 03:09:18 pm »
My crossover from K to V was a failure. Not sure I'd bother with it. Liquid microtaper off K may be better.

I'm not sure it'll help but I'm in such tolerance I thought maybe by switching I might get some relief from this anxiety.
How did inpatient go for you? Well you let me know if you think you suffered more by doing inpatient. I just don't know if I can do this slow taper. Before starting taper I have been in I guess what's called tolerance withdrawal for almost two years of being agoraphobia, bedridden and so full of anxiety like I've never felt before and that was while I was taking my regular dose. Been thinking rehab.
Another reason for trying to switch is trying to figure out these cuts is making me crazy. ..how do you do a liquid taper on k?

Thats the one thing I didn't try. I got detoxed inpatient while I was being treated for depression. Worked out in the long run, but it was rough
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