Comedian Bob Saget Had Clonazepam and Trazadone in His System.

very sad

 

Edit:  I split this thread off at the point where the conversation veered off of benzodiazepines and since it doesn't seem to be about Benzo's in the New's anymore, it now resides in Off Topic.

 

Pamster

Why would anybody need or want to see pictures or videos of this man's death? I find it to be extremely invasive. We have access to the written information about why he died. Isn't that enough for these people?

Why would anybody need or want to see pictures or videos of this man's death? I find it to be extremely invasive. We have access to the written information about why he died. Isn't that enough for these people?

 

The official autopsy and toxicology reports aren't pubic (yet). The reported extensive damage to the back and front of Saget's skull isn't consistent with damage done from a normal fall in one's hotel room according to some forensic pathologists and other specialists. I agree that graphic photos, videos and audio recordings should not necessarily be released to the public without good cause. 

Did anybody see that eerie video clip from a talk show with Saget and his wife, sometime in 2018 I think it was, where he joked that he would be found dead in bed in a few years, and his wife just gives him a look? I think Inside Edition has it, and aired it on their show. It was disturbing, I was hoping his family wouldn't see it. CBS produces Inside Edition, and they are known for making poor judgement on content. Which is why I don't watch it. 

 

There's been some buzz on social media regarding the clonazepam dosage, with many wondering how he ended up on such a high dose. I think Andros answered that question in his reply on page 1, Saget was likely on this med for a long time, and likely started at a more typical dose of 1 mg a day. 

it sounds like he was in very heavy tolerance.

 

That is so sad. I remember America's Funniest Home Videos like it was yesterday. Makes you wonder how many people are actually in tolerance of these meds and die of "some other reason"

 

Yes, I agree.

 

Having done a fair amount of research on PubMed, I've come across many, many, many studies on the topic of falls, fractures and motor vehicle accidents caused by benzodiazepines. Those are well-known and well-documented side effects, and the effects tend to be more pronounced as people age, due to changes in how older bodies handle medications.

 

As an example, when someone falls after taking a benzo, they may brake a hip. Hip fractures can lead to serious mobility impairment, which may then lead to extensive bed rest, which in turn can cause other serious problems, including respiratory issues. For those who die of pneumonia, the initial role of the benzodiazepine in causing the fall would be forgotten.

"falls, fractures and motor vehicle accidents" ... can happen to anyone:

 

https://www.14news.com/2022/02/12/union-county-native-recovers-head-injury-same-incident-bob-saget/

 

 

 

 

"falls, fractures and motor vehicle accidents" ... can happen to anyone:

 

https://www.14news.com/2022/02/12/union-county-native-recovers-head-injury-same-incident-bob-saget/

 

It seems you prefer to ignore the warnings about benzo use, which include falls, dizziness, cognitive disfunction and many more. Perhaps this helps validate your continued use.

"falls, fractures and motor vehicle accidents" ... can happen to anyone:

 

https://www.14news.com/2022/02/12/union-county-native-recovers-head-injury-same-incident-bob-saget/

 

It seems you prefer to ignore the warnings about benzo use, which include falls, dizziness, cognitive disfunction and many more. Perhaps this helps validate your continued use.

 

It seems you prefer to ignore the symptoms of decreasing or ceasing the use of benzodiazepines, which include falls, dizziness, cognitive disfunction and many more. Bob Saget could have suffered from these symptoms if he did not use his medications as prescribed and which may have contributed to "an unwitnessed fall backwards and struck the posterior aspect of his head". He may have even experienced a seizure. Who knows?

"falls, fractures and motor vehicle accidents" ... can happen to anyone:

 

https://www.14news.com/2022/02/12/union-county-native-recovers-head-injury-same-incident-bob-saget/

 

It seems you prefer to ignore the warnings about benzo use, which include falls, dizziness, cognitive disfunction and many more. Perhaps this helps validate your continued use.

 

It seems you prefer to ignore the symptoms of decreasing or ceasing the use of benzodiazepines, which include falls, dizziness, cognitive disfunction and many more. Bob Saget could have suffered from these symptoms if he did not use his medications as prescribed and which may have contributed to "an unwitnessed fall backwards and struck the posterior aspect of his head". He may have even experienced a seizure. Who knows?

 

You spoke earlier of conspiracy theories and now you are espousing many different scenarios as to the cause of Bob Saget's death.  One can find many external self justifications in order to validate a decision. 

"DESIIGNER DROPS ‘BAKIN’ MUSIC VIDEO WITH SNOOP DOGG, KENDRA SUNDERLAND & BOB SAGET CAMEOS"

 

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.68199/title.desiigner-drops-bakin-music-video-with-snoop-dogg-kendra-sunderland-bob-saget-cameos#signup

"Bob Saget, 65, suffered fatal head injuries 'after blacking out in bathroom and bashing his head hard against marble floor, before coming round and stumbling into bed where he died,' investigators suspect

-Bob Saget, 65, was found dead from brain bleed in his room at Ritz-Carlton Orlando Grande

-Investigators say they now believe Saget passed out in the hotel bathroom, fell and hit his head against marble floor

-In the early hours of January 9, Saget regained consciousness and made his way to the bed, where he blacked out a second time and later died

-His autopsy showed Saget he had severe injuries to the back of his head and around his eyes

-Cops initially claimed Saget hit his head against headboard, but experts said his injuries were severe enough to have resulted from being bashed with a bat

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10544465/Bob-Saget-hit-head-against-marble-floor-collapsing-bed-died.html

The combination of trazodone and clonazepam made me faint. I only lasted a few days on this potentially dangerous combination of medications. If this is what happened to Bob Saget, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I'm just so, so sad that this happened.

 

From StatPearls, here's the paragraph about "Adverse Effects" of trazodone:

 

Adverse Effects

 

The primary adverse effects of trazodone include headaches, fatigue, dizziness, and drowsiness/somnolence. Other risks include anticholinergic effects (dry mouth), orthostatic hypotension, QT prolongation, torsades, priapism, and an increase in suicidal thoughts. QT prolongation and arrhythmia risks are due to the interaction of trazodone with hERG potassium channels. Antidepressants are associated with an increased risk of suicidal thinking, especially in younger adults, adolescents, and children. Despite the presence of anticholinergic side effects, the risk is less than tricyclic antidepressants, such as imipramine or amitriptyline. The risk for orthostatic hypotension is higher in the elderly, especially in those with pre-existing heart conditions, and it is due to the adrenergic α1-receptor blockade. Patients show adverse effects of somnolence and hypotension during the first week of administration. Special care is necessary for men who have sickle cell anemia, multiple myeloma, leukemia, autonomic dysfunction, hypercoagulable state, or those who have a penile anatomic variation as angulation, cavernosal fibrosis, or Peyronie disease, as it can cause priapism.

 

In some cases, trazodone use has correlated with visual hallucinations.[7] Hallucinations generally resolve with discontinuation of trazodone, and physicians should switch the patient to another antidepressant medication.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470560/

A point from the available initial police investigation, which I read in detail, and that struck me as very odd is that the door to the adjoining room (Room #961) was found unlocked by the investigators. This YouTuber guy highlights that finding in a video he made:

 

 

This YouTuber guy toured the room where Bob Saget's body was found dead and released a video. If you pause the video and zoom in, you can see the door which allows passing from Room #961 to the room in which Bob Saget's body was found (Room #962). 

 

 

Whatever caused Bob Saget's death, the investigation and its findings appear to me to be very shoddy &/or poorly covered up.

 

If further information ever becomes available regarding Bob Saget's cause of death, apparently the information currently held by the Orlando Police Department and the Orange County Florida Medical Examiner's Office will not become public:

 

"Judge Makes Permanent Ban on Bob Saget Autopsy Records Release":

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/bob-saget-death-records-permanent-ban-1235111365/

The combination of trazodone and clonazepam made me faint. I only lasted a few days on this potentially dangerous combination of medications. If this is what happened to Bob Saget, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I'm just so, so sad that this happened.

 

From StatPearls, here's the paragraph about "Adverse Effects" of trazodone:

 

Adverse Effects

 

The primary adverse effects of trazodone include headaches, fatigue, dizziness, and drowsiness/somnolence. Other risks include anticholinergic effects (dry mouth), orthostatic hypotension, QT prolongation, torsades, priapism, and an increase in suicidal thoughts. QT prolongation and arrhythmia risks are due to the interaction of trazodone with hERG potassium channels. Antidepressants are associated with an increased risk of suicidal thinking, especially in younger adults, adolescents, and children. Despite the presence of anticholinergic side effects, the risk is less than tricyclic antidepressants, such as imipramine or amitriptyline. The risk for orthostatic hypotension is higher in the elderly, especially in those with pre-existing heart conditions, and it is due to the adrenergic α1-receptor blockade. Patients show adverse effects of somnolence and hypotension during the first week of administration. Special care is necessary for men who have sickle cell anemia, multiple myeloma, leukemia, autonomic dysfunction, hypercoagulable state, or those who have a penile anatomic variation as angulation, cavernosal fibrosis, or Peyronie disease, as it can cause priapism.

 

In some cases, trazodone use has correlated with visual hallucinations.[7] Hallucinations generally resolve with discontinuation of trazodone, and physicians should switch the patient to another antidepressant medication.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK470560/

 

Lapis, I appreciate you posting this information and it just proves that I learn something new here everyday. I was on Trazodone, Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Adderall, Lamictal, Lamortrigine, Lithium AND clonazepam in that combination for a couple years... Definitely on Trazodone and Clonazepam at the same time for about 7. I cannot believe I  survived it and all those drugs together explains why I am having such a lengthy protracted "withdrawal" or recovery.

 

When I saw Bob was on 6 mgs of clonazepam, I couldn't believe it myself...he must have been in major tolerance. I was on as high as 4 mgs, but not for too long.

I'm not following any of the conspiracy stuff about Bob. My dad died from slip and fall in the bathroom, and it happens. Add in C-19 and those drugs, I am not surprised; saddened but not shocked.

"Bob Saget UPDATE - Dr. Cyril Wecht Calls For SECOND Autopsy And A More THOROUGH Investigation !!"

 

 

Who is Dr. Cyril Wecht?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Wecht

 

Edit:

 

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Wecht doesn’t mind being described as a conspiracy theorist. Apart from the scientific evidence supporting his beliefs about the JFK assassination, he said that Americans have come to learn much about the government’s clandestine affairs, including those during World War II, Vietnam and the Korean War.

 

It’s no longer inconceivable that elected representatives are capable of acting nefariously, Wecht said. “Government officials can get away with things.”

 

“I want people to lose their naivete, their belief that these kinds of things can never happen in America, to be aware of this,” he said."

 

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/cyril-wecht-continues-to-challenge-warren-commission-in-new-book/

 

I'm not following any of the conspiracy stuff about Bob. My dad died from slip and fall in the bathroom, and it happens. Add in C-19 and those drugs, I am not surprised; saddened but not shocked.

 

 

"Authorities release photos of Bob Saget’s Orlando hotel room" (March 24, 2022)

 

https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/03/22/authorities-release-photos-of-bob-sagets-orlando-hotel-room/

"Authorities release photos of Bob Saget’s Orlando hotel room" (March 24, 2022)

 

https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/03/22/authorities-release-photos-of-bob-sagets-orlando-hotel-room/

 

Why is this so important to you?  It seems rather maudlin to me. The best we can do is appreciate Bob's contribution to the entertainment industry and let his family grieve in peace.

"Authorities release photos of Bob Saget’s Orlando hotel room" (March 24, 2022)

 

https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/03/22/authorities-release-photos-of-bob-sagets-orlando-hotel-room/

 

Why is this so important to you?  It seems rather maudlin to me. The best we can do is appreciate Bob's contribution to the entertainment industry and let his family grieve in peace.

 

To answer your question, a few things come to mind: truth, transparency, accountability, discenment among others.

 

I believe Dr. Cyril Wecht stated it well: "Upon reviewing the newly released evidence, Dr. Wecht — who is one of the world's leading forensic pathologists/lawyers — concluded: “The photographs substantiate very firmly my belief that there is NO WAY that he could’ve sustained the multiplicity, and anatomical variations, of all those head injuries by striking his head on the floor or against the headboard.”

 

https://okmagazine.com/p/bob-saget-body-exhumed-forensic-pathologist-declares-did-not-die-fall/

 

My question to you, Piano Girl, is: Why are you so opposed to finding and reporting truths?

"Authorities release photos of Bob Saget’s Orlando hotel room" (March 24, 2022)

 

https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/03/22/authorities-release-photos-of-bob-sagets-orlando-hotel-room/

 

Why is this so important to you?  It seems rather maudlin to me. The best we can do is appreciate Bob's contribution to the entertainment industry and let his family grieve in peace.

 

To answer your question, a few things come to mind: truth, transparency, accountability, discenment among others.

 

I believe Dr. Cyril Wecht stated it well: "Upon reviewing the newly released evidence, Dr. Wecht — who is one of the world's leading forensic pathologists/lawyers — concluded: “The photographs substantiate very firmly my belief that there is NO WAY that he could’ve sustained the multiplicity, and anatomical variations, of all those head injuries by striking his head on the floor or against the headboard.”

 

https://okmagazine.com/p/bob-saget-body-exhumed-forensic-pathologist-declares-did-not-die-fall/

 

My question to you, Piano Girl, is: Why are you so opposed to finding and reporting truths? 

 

Because it is not our job, our bailiwick. It's possible to find all sorts of theories out there, some by doctors who were indicted for misuse of government resources.

"Authorities release photos of Bob Saget’s Orlando hotel room" (March 24, 2022)

 

https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/03/22/authorities-release-photos-of-bob-sagets-orlando-hotel-room/

 

Why is this so important to you?  It seems rather maudlin to me. The best we can do is appreciate Bob's contribution to the entertainment industry and let his family grieve in peace.

 

To answer your question, a few things come to mind: truth, transparency, accountability, discenment among others.

 

I believe Dr. Cyril Wecht stated it well: "Upon reviewing the newly released evidence, Dr. Wecht — who is one of the world's leading forensic pathologists/lawyers — concluded: “The photographs substantiate very firmly my belief that there is NO WAY that he could’ve sustained the multiplicity, and anatomical variations, of all those head injuries by striking his head on the floor or against the headboard.”

 

https://okmagazine.com/p/bob-saget-body-exhumed-forensic-pathologist-declares-did-not-die-fall/

 

My question to you, Piano Girl, is: Why are you so opposed to finding and reporting truths? 

 

Because it is not our job, our bailiwick. It's possible to find all sorts of theories out there, some by doctors who were indicted for misuse of government resources.

 

If it is not your job to finding & reporting the full truths, especially in regard to benzodiazepines, I wonder what exactly your job is? Additionally your apparent attempt to discredit Dr. Cyril Wecht's expertise as one of the world's most respected forensic pathologists is misleading at best. All charges against Dr. Wecht were dropped and he was found to be innocent of the politically motivated indictments against him. Personally, I agree with Dr. Wecht's assessment: “The photographs substantiate very firmly my belief that there is NO WAY that he could’ve sustained the multiplicity, and anatomical variations, of all those head injuries by striking his head on the floor or against the headboard.”

"Authorities release photos of Bob Saget’s Orlando hotel room" (March 24, 2022)

 

https://nbc-2.com/news/2022/03/22/authorities-release-photos-of-bob-sagets-orlando-hotel-room/

 

Why is this so important to you?  It seems rather maudlin to me. The best we can do is appreciate Bob's contribution to the entertainment industry and let his family grieve in peace.

 

To answer your question, a few things come to mind: truth, transparency, accountability, discenment among others.

 

I believe Dr. Cyril Wecht stated it well: "Upon reviewing the newly released evidence, Dr. Wecht — who is one of the world's leading forensic pathologists/lawyers — concluded: “The photographs substantiate very firmly my belief that there is NO WAY that he could’ve sustained the multiplicity, and anatomical variations, of all those head injuries by striking his head on the floor or against the headboard.”

 

https://okmagazine.com/p/bob-saget-body-exhumed-forensic-pathologist-declares-did-not-die-fall/

 

My question to you, Piano Girl, is: Why are you so opposed to finding and reporting truths? 

 

Because it is not our job, our bailiwick. It's possible to find all sorts of theories out there, some by doctors who were indicted for misuse of government resources.

 

If it is not your job to finding & reporting the full truths, especially in regard to benzodiazepines, I wonder what exactly your job is? Additionally your apparent attempt to discredit Dr. Cyril Wecht's expertise as one of the world's most respected forensic pathologists is misleading at best. All charges against Dr. Wecht were dropped and he was found to be innocent of the politically motivated indictments against him. Personally, I agree with Dr. Wecht's assessment: “The photographs substantiate very firmly my belief that there is NO WAY that he could’ve sustained the multiplicity, and anatomical variations, of all those head injuries by striking his head on the floor or against the headboard.”

 

Fi Addendum,

 

In case you hadn't noticed, BenzoBuddies is a benzodiazepine withdrawal support forum, our primary purpose is to support those who wish to discontinue taking these drugs.  We offer other boards for members to discuss topics of interest as a distraction from their symptoms but if these topics cause the team to expend our limited resources monitoring them then we will take action. 

 

Your continued quest down this particular rabbit hole is over, it appears you're more interested in conspiracy theories than how benzodiazepines may have played a part in Mr. Sagets death.  You're welcome to go to Facebook, Reddit or whatever platform allows this type of discussion but it's not welcome here. I'm locking this thread.

 

Pamster