Author Topic: When symptons rev due to exercise or supplements--how long can it last??!!  (Read 2353 times)

[Buddie]

Okay, I hope I can ask this question and have it make sense.

I have noticed that everytime I exercise my symptoms rev and I feel horrible---now I know that others get that except that for me it lasts 2 days. That means for 2 days I mostly lie in bed overwhelmed by anxiety. If Imn not overhwelmed by anxiety, then I am depressed, confused, and I live two days of complete depersonalization. I do a very reasonbable exercise band program, especially considering that I used to life weights and did a much harder program. Im not doing a difficult program---Im just trying to help myself feel better.

Anyways---I also noticed that when I take a supplement for a few days or a new vitamin, and it backfires and revs me ( as they ALWAYS do)---that I get a horrible feeling, the same as when I exercise for 2 days also. This past week---I started a new vitamin---- a prescription called Nicomide ( Niacinamide and Zinc, with Folic Acid and Copper) and I took it for 4 days and felt fine---then felt a little more energy the next 2 days, and by day 7 I was wildeyed---and confused, and shaking. It took me 3 days to become remotely lucid ( that's today)---and I had the 3 worst days in a very long time.

so my question is---

I know that supplements/vitamins and exercise can make symtons rev---Ive read that here alot----however, would it make sense that it would make them rev for 2-3 days---really badly??

Im trying to incorporate exercise and any potentially helpful vitamin/supplement into my recuperation, but it seems to be setting me back. There is also a part of me that wonders if they didnt do this to me, and that I would have bottomed out all those times anyway. Im almost positive it's the exercise, as I have tested this many times---yet it's still hard to be sure, as it doesnt get really bad until the next day and then it lasts 2 days. I get confusion, anxiety, and depression too----over and over. It is the EXACT same feeling when I take a supplement----but maybe it's not the supplement??

so my first question is Im wondering if anyone has had the experience of doing something that they KNEW revved their symptons, and had it last that long----meaning 2-3 days?? That seems long for a consistent bottom ??-

see, a major reason I ask this is that I drink a little coffee in the mornings and sometimes it helps and sometimes it revs my symtons, BUT---when my symptons are revved from the caffeine, I have 3-4 bad hours of anxiety---that's it---I lay down and after about 3-4 hours, I feel a little more lucid, and can get out of bed so Ill continue drinking it right now because it helps sometimes---BUT---it seems to be much longer lasting and worse with exercise and supplements---and Im wondering why it would last that long or if anyone else has experienced anything similar. Im talking about if anyone has had a 2 day bottom after revving yourself and if you have gone through this so Ill know if this anxiety would have happened anyway.

well, one other thing--- my second question would be why does the caffeine revving seem to be 3-4 hours at best and the other stuff last endlessly when the exercise should be good for me??

Does this sound impossible??---would I have bottomed out anyway??---or does this make any sense and anyone can indentify with it??---Thanks again, all for your caring and help and God Bless You !! I just want to be able to help myself with exercise and maybe supplements---but if Im setting myself back, Ill just stop---no biggie, Ive had to quit my entire life---exercise and supplements will be a piece of cake !!
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[Buddie]

I also experience this problem. Whenever I get my heart rate up, it seems I'm attacked by wd s/x. I am really worried about not getting exercise and what it's doing to my body. I try to wait until I'm having a good day, then try to get my heart rate up a little, but it backfires on me. Anyone else experience this? Any suggestions? Will this lengthen my recovery time?

Thanks all... :D
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[Buddie]

Kimba---that's my exact fear. If I exercise at all---I go berserk with anxiety---but it lasts for a couple of days. If it only lasted a few hours, Id do it, since I need exercise. I had the flu 3 weeks ago. I didnt exercise for 7 days. I felt the best I have in a long time. I exercised on the 8th day??---and was horrible. I dont know what to do---this w/drawal affects every aspect of our lives. Food, exercise, social, work, sleep, relationships and it goes on and on. It is awful....and I donbt know where to turn- I can see you feel much the same, with the same symptoms---Im very sorry that you do---it's awful. I could stop exercising totally and improve as far as withdrawal symtoms----and if I didnt eat anymore, I'd improve too---since anything, and I mean anything I eat aggravates my withdrawal. I drink a glass of rice milk and I get agitated----I dont see any way out right now----literally---no way out.
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[Buddie]

I exercise like mad,  cycle 100km+ a few times a week, kettlebell training and kung fu.  Usually when I cycle all my sxs disappear.  Up until a few months ago, a few hours after I finished exercising I would start vibrating inside and continue to feel like that for 2-3 days, now I don't get that effect.

Remember that not having enough stored glycogen will cause you to release more stress hormones if you exercise intensely, that might be what is revving you up.


As for the supplements.  Have you been diagnosed with those mineral deficiencies?  I personally wouldn't take any potion or pill unless it was absolutely necessary.  In most developed countries, a varied diet will provide all the nutrition you need.


Caffeine is is known to affect the functioning of GABA receptors,  it's probably best to kick it to the curb until you're better.


Good Luck.
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[Buddie]

Hi [...]... I can definitely identify with what you are saying. I have a similar thing happen with the exercise and vitamins, and it's really been frustrating me because I want to be healthy and I feel like I'm getting out of shape from all this, but everytime I exercise I get rev'd right up for a few days, and it's not even so much that I'm worried about anything that's causing me anxiety it's more of a physical reaction,where I'm feeling surges of anxiety like adrenalin or something then I start talking really fast. This happens everytime I try to exercise and everytime I take centrum multi vitamins, my withdrawl seems to get worse for a few days if not a week after I do these things and I'm pretty sure it's because the central nervous system is extra sensitive because of the WD so it's like it's hyper active or over stimulated by sensory stuff. I've talked to a few other people around the forum who experience the same thing and some have suggested that maybe it's the vitamin B in the multi vitamin.
I've also had sensitivities to other things since going off xanax, namely lunesta which I didn't realize was a Z class drug like ambien. Here in Canada it`s called rhovane or imovane so I didn`t clue in when people said don't take lunesta. I hate how they have a million names for each pill. I didn`t take it in the beginning of my withdrawl but tried taking some a few months in and it really sent me for a loop into the worst part of my WD so far. It really caused a huge reaction and the effects lasted over a month if not two....I hate benzos!
Hopefully this all get`s better soon for all of us.

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[Buddie]

Hi guys. [...], that was very interesting. If I dont have enough stored glycogen is there a way to correct that??---Im not exactly sure what I could do to try to rtemedy that??---Does that mean that I can try to exercise and build gradually so that I dont feel the anxiety??

Maybe I just need to stay consistent with it??---Im not sure--- can you explain more about the low glycogen??---also what you said about the supplements??--I was only told that I was dangerously deficient in Vitamin D. See, I never leave the house ( no sunshine). In addition, I have rosacea a very sensitive skin condition, and sunlight aggravates it badly, so I usually avoid the sun anyway---but----my problem is also that I am intolerant of dairy foods---bad allergic reaction coupled with the fact that right now I react horribly agitated with supplements---so I dont eat dairy,and I tried a Vitamin D supplement and it sent me to bed for almost 3 full days. One lousy 1000 mg. pill. It revved me terribly so I have no idea how I'll get vitamin D. There is some in Rice milk so I try to have a couple glasses a day.I also assume Im very low in Calcium too, and once again, the supplements just destroy me---

and [...]----I totally identify with that---totally. I know that vitamins have been HORRIBLE for me---I even tried the Flintstones for kids---and they were----wow!!---The B vitamins are by far the worst for me, they always were. I was told that B6 and B12 are the worst. If you look at the Energy Drink " 5 Hour Energy" you'll notice it is basically Vitamins B6 and B12 in absolutely astronomical megadoses. I think it's something like 10,000 % higher than the RDA for one and 6,000% higher for the other. That cant be safe----but there is no caffeine in it, to my knowledge---just those 2 vitamins as the main thing---and people take one sip and are rocking. My friend works out and he drinks 1/3 of it, and he's 6 foot 3 and 280 pounds. He cant handle any more and he's not in withdrawal, so if it can do that, then Im sure that for us, in regular doses those vitamins would be VERY bad and hard for us to handle.

Right now, I cant put anything in my system---frankly, I react to food---so Im at a loss of what to do other than to sit with my hands folded , staring at the clock waiting for the months to pass---thats what it feels like....u know?---
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[Buddie]

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Hi guys. [...], that was very interesting. If I dont have enough stored glycogen is there a way to correct that??---Im not exactly sure what I could do to try to rtemedy that??---Does that mean that I can try to exercise and build gradually so that I dont feel the anxiety??


Eating regular smaller low GL (glycemic load, not GI) throughout the day will help maintain steady blood glycogen levels.

As long as you are eating enough calories to support your body weight (including energy expended during exercise) you should be fine,  it is important, however, to load up on the carbs (mid-hi GL) in the 2 hours after exercise as this is when your body most readily stores glycogen.  Of course ample water is necessary too, every gram of carbs you store also stores several grams of water with it.

This might help with the anxiety somewhat, similarly, if you are finding that your current workout regime is still causing you problems you could modify it to be less strenuous.  Gentle exercise has just as many benefits as intense exercise.


I started back exercising a couple of weeks after my CT,  I had some bad reactions to it but I forced myself to do it anyway,  the worst was cycling over a mountain and running out of water on a really hot day,  I vibrated like a vibrator on a vibrating machine for 3 days straight and barely slept.  It was worth it to me though.


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Maybe I just need to stay consistent with it??---Im not sure--- can you explain more about the low glycogen??---also what you said about the supplements??--I was only told that I was dangerously deficient in Vitamin D. See, I never leave the house ( no sunshine). In addition, I have rosacea a very sensitive skin condition, and sunlight aggravates it badly, so I usually avoid the sun anyway---but----my problem is also that I am intolerant of dairy foods---bad allergic reaction coupled with the fact that right now I react horribly agitated with supplements---so I dont eat dairy,and I tried a Vitamin D supplement and it sent me to bed for almost 3 full days. One lousy 1000 mg. pill. It revved me terribly so I have no idea how I'll get vitamin D. There is some in Rice milk so I try to have a couple glasses a day.I also assume Im very low in Calcium too, and once again, the supplements just destroy me---

If your glycogen levels fall low during intense exercise, you may start producing more cortisol (stress hormone) to facilitate the release of other energy sources, as we all know, cortisol and adrenaline are things we can do with less of during WD.

If you are concerned about vitamin levels, ask your doctor for a full test,  I recently had one and everything came back at 100% (even though I exhibited many deficiency symptoms).  Most people will get everything they need from a varied diet.  If you have been tested and found to be low in vit D you could try eating more of the following foods:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000102000000000000000-w.html






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[Buddie]

[...],
When you take your vitamins, do you take them with a meal?  Make sure you have food in your stomach, this might help.  Also, if you are vitamin D deficient, and are unable to get much sunlight, maybe you could try a 500 mg vitamin D pill, instead of the 1000 mg, at least until you are less sensitive to them.  Also, hopefully you are able to get some fresh air and sunshine, even if you need to keep it limited.
Good luck!
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[Buddie]

sorry about you're deficiency [...], luckily I'm able to take vitamin D and calcium magnesium tabs, those are the only ones I take because I know I don't see the sun enough. But any multi vitamin and it really effects things. I also seem to be ok with vitamin C but i will not take another multi vitamin or vitamin B for a long time.

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[Buddie]

Hi [...], KC, [...], and [...],

I take calcium, magnesium, and zinc combo, and a multi vitamin. I don't see any increase of sx with these. I don't get outside, but I do have a 1/2 glass of milk everyday, so I guess my vitamin D should be ok.

As time goes by I just seem to be getting more lethargic. Do you think if I just push through with exercise that this sx will eventually pass? It's very hard because, as like [...], sx seem to last 2 days after. I'm worried because I think my muscles are atrophying (SP?)

Even after going food shopping, I am beat for the rest of the day!

thanks
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