[mr...] Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Has anybody switch from 1 mg of Klonopin over to Valium to start tapering? Has anybody done this without crossing over and just switching directly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Yes, I seen members attempt it but it can be painful because it can take weeks for Valium to fully build up and if you take away the Klonopin before the Valium has built up you're going to be left without coverage and go into withdrawal. If you would like to communicate with members who have personal experience crossing over this is the group to talk to. Valium Support Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 I am on .75mg of Klonopin. Next Monday I am switching to Valium. My psychiatrist told me to just use Gabapentin until the Valium fully kicks in. Been on Klonopin daily for about 4 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 I am on .75mg of Klonopin. Next Monday I am switching to Valium. My psychiatrist told me to just use Gabapentin until the Valium fully kicks in. Been on Klonopin daily for about 4 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ai...] Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I haven’t tried Gabapentine, but I just tried a cross over from 3.5 mg of Clonazepam to 60-70mg of Diazepam with no taper. Was GREAT…until my body ran out of Clonazepam before the Diazepam could reach full levels. At only 4 weeks, and a relatively low dose, you should be ok. You can also ask about certain beta blockers like propranolol to help if you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Has anybody switch from 1 mg of Klonopin over to Valium to start tapering? Has anybody done this without crossing over and just switching directly? I agree with Pamster my doc and psych gave me the “low dose” rationale and I’m glad I didn’t follow it. I slowly crossed from .375 Ativan to 3.5 Valium and had minimal symptoms. The psych even tried to put me on 6 mg Valium saying it would cover the Ativan wd, which wud have updosed me considerably and still not helped because it takes Valium weeks to cover it. Also although I don’t have experience with gaberpentan man bbs report it’s hard to taper off. I’m sure other bbbs can chime in and provide a crossover schedule for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sl...] Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Hi mrcybershow, I'm glad you've heard from other buddies who've crossed. And also Pamster who's very knowledgeable; the Valium support group which could have more feedback for you about rushed or sudden crosses and the challenges and distress that these have caused many other buddies. Here's an example of a sudden crossover to diazepam from clonazepam... http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=263352 Are you familiar with the Ashton Manual? Would you like help planning a step-wise crossover? I think even two steps are better than one. Let us know how we can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Do you have an example crossover. I take .25mg K in the Morning and .50mg k at night. I also take 150 mg of gabapentin three times a day. I want a quick transition but not so quick we’re I can’t function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 This is an example of a slow withdrawal from 1.5 mgs of Klonopin to Valium, you could halve the schedule to accommodate your situation. If that's still too long for you then you can modify it however you wish. My suggestion would be to allow enough time for the Valium to build up before making another substitution so you won't get hit with severe symptoms but in the end, its your taper and we just want to give you the benefit of our experience, not tell you what to do. https://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm#s5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 I currently take .75mg Klonopin .25mg Morning .50mg Night Does the below schedule look ok for crossing over to Valium? First Day Morning - 2.5mg Klonopin Night - .25mg Klonopin / 5mg Valium * Hold for 3 days 4th Day Morning - 2.5mg Klonopin Night - 10mg Valium * Hold for 3 days 7th Day Morning - .125mg Klonopin / 2.5mg Valium Night -10mg Valium * Hold for 3 days 10th Day Morning - 5mg Valium Night - 10mg Valium Hold for 4 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 Also, I was on 30mg Ambien for a couple months each night and was switched to Klonopin about a month ago. Can I just switch to equivalent Valium without a crossover? Currently on .75mg Klonopin per day. .25mg in morning and .50mg at night. I don’t feel it working. I used Valium for many years each night up till Mar 2021 and I thought it worked great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Also, I was on 30mg Ambien for a couple months each night and was switched to Klonopin about a month ago. Can I just switch to equivalent Valium without a crossover? Currently on .75mg Klonopin per day. .25mg in morning and .50mg at night. I don’t feel it working. I used Valium for many years each night up till Mar 2021 and I thought it worked great. I'm not sure I understand your question, I looked at your proposed taper schedule and while it's faster than we like to see, it can work unless it doesn't because of the short time you've given the Valium to build up. Are you saying now you don't want to gradually taper in the Valium? Being on Valium for several years makes no difference now, yes, you tolerated it well but if you switch back to it without letting it build up while discontinuing the Klonopin, you're going to feel symptoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 The problem is getting medication and my psychiatrist just wants to switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 I would just like an example schedule crossover for my .75 Klonopin twice a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 You say your doctor won't support a crossover, do you have enough pills stashed to do it on your own? I think your schedule looks good if you're on a short time frame, if you're not then I would increase the time you hold your dose to a week, not 3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 I currently take .5mg Klonopin in morning and .5mg Klonopin in the evening. I have only taken medication at night time for sleep. How can I easily change this to once per day? I’m gonna eventually crossover to valium soon. I was on valium for 10 years until I was stupidly switch to Klonopin a month ago. Medication History 2012-Mar 2021 5-10mg Valium / Nightly - stopped C/T 3/21 - 09/21 5mg Ambien / Nightly 09/21 - Nov 15 2021 30mg Ambien / Nightly (Experienced bad inter-dose withdrawals) Nov 15, 2021 Admitted myself to a behavioral hospital to get stable. Nov 24 2021- Current 1mg Klonopin .5mg AM / .5mg PM 300mg Gabapentin 3x a day 67.5mg Zoloft 50mg Trazodone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I'd wait until you do the crossover to Valium, making this change now may cause you some distress. If you're determined to do it some members will slowly change the time they take it by an hour every few days or weeks, they gradually bring the doses closer together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sl...] Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I agree with Pamster to consider waiting until you're on diazepam before combining your doses. I think clonazepam's average half-life is significant less than that of diazepam. I dosed 2x per day at 1mg/day and I intend to keep 2 doses per day during my direct clonazepam taper until I'm much closer to 0.125mg/day. I also think that dosing 2-3x per day is a good setup for a slow step-wise diazepam crossover. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 Sounds great thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 I’ve been on Klonopin for one month at 1 mg per day. .5mg in morning and .5mg at night. I was at my doctors today and it looks like I’m just gonna switch over to the valium 20mg with no crossover. Does anybody have any suggestions or has anybody just directly switched? Can I use gabapentin to help during this transition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[nu...] Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 I wish you nothing but the best. I am on clonazapam, and when i started my doc tried to switch me over to valium and i got so sick...but i believe many of here have done what you are doing with good success. Make sure you keep us posted hun. Lisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Do you have any Klonopin left, if you do I'd sure use it to make the cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 Yes I have some but I don’t want to mix. Below is the schedule that I came up with. Any suggestions or changes I should make? Day 0 AM - 0.5mg K NIGHT - 0.5mg K Day 1 AM - 0.25mg K MID - 0.25mg K NIGHT - 10mg of V Hold for 3 days Day 4 AM - 5mg of V MID - 0.25mg K NIGHT - 10mg of V Hold for 3 days Day 7 AM - 5mg of V NIGHT - 15mg of V Hold for 3 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 It looks like you're going to mix it a little bit on days 1-7. From what I read it can take up to a month for the Valium to reach full potency and you're going to discontinue your Klonopin in 7 days, this could leave you without full coverage. I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress this will be a learning experience for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mr...] Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 Do you have any better schedules that you can think of? I’m trying to do a schedule without mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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