[Ho...] Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Hello, I’m down to 0.18225 of Xanax daily. I was taking 0.25mg every evening. My doctors recommended cutting every two weeks by 1/4. I did the first cut but feel like this is too fast. Would like instructions on how to liquid titrate for the remainder. I’ve read a lot but still can’t seem to figure it out. Anyone that can help with liquid taper plan? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 I just want to make sure you know you have other options besides making your own liquid, Xanax comes in a liquid formulation from the manufacturer, you can also ask your doctor to write you a script to take to a compounding pharmacy and you can also weigh your dose on a jewelers scale to make reductions. However, if you still want to make your own liquid we can help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 So I asked my doctor about using a compound pharmacy and he said that it wasn’t necessary. I asked about a slower taper and he insisted that the taper was safe and slow. I’m assuming he’ll say no to liquid. So I would definitely like to try it on my own please!! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hello. I am doing a Xanax taper using vodka (daily micro taper). It is working very well. I am stable, functional, and sleeping well. I am reducing my dosage every day, and take my dosage at bedtime. Xanax is very potent, so any big cut will hurt. However, the daily micro taper has small cuts every day. And if you are not feeling it, you can hold for a day or two or three. The goal is to keep moving forward (and using your body and symptoms as a guide). See my signature for details. It is very easy and convenient. I did not have to buy equipment. An old jam jar (glass) to store the solution, and two free syringes from the local pharmacy (a 10ml syringe and a 1ml syringe). Please feel free to ask any questions. With my 100ml solution, if I need to take 0.208mg , then I simply take 20.8ml of the solution and add to some juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 You can make a liquid titration plan here: https://benzo.alwaysdata.net/titration/titrationForm.php I made this for you. Using a 10% reduction every week. This will get you done in 120 days. This is only a guide. You can always go a bit faster (depending on your body and symptoms). I have both slowed down and sped up. Day Dose 1 Total dose # / / mg = ml mg/day 1 / / 0.1793 17.93 0.1793 2 / / 0.1766 17.66 0.1766 3 / / 0.1740 17.40 0.1740 4 / / 0.1714 17.14 0.1714 5 / / 0.1688 16.88 0.1688 6 / / 0.1663 16.63 0.1663 7 / / 0.1638 16.38 0.1638 8 / / 0.1614 16.14 0.1614 9 / / 0.1589 15.89 0.1589 10 / / 0.1566 15.66 0.1566 11 / / 0.1542 15.42 0.1542 12 / / 0.1519 15.19 0.1519 13 / / 0.1497 14.97 0.1497 14 / / 0.1474 14.74 0.1474 15 / / 0.1452 14.52 0.1452 16 / / 0.1430 14.30 0.1430 17 / / 0.1409 14.09 0.1409 18 / / 0.1388 13.88 0.1388 19 / / 0.1367 13.67 0.1367 20 / / 0.1347 13.47 0.1347 21 / / 0.1327 13.27 0.1327 22 / / 0.1307 13.07 0.1307 23 / / 0.1287 12.87 0.1287 24 / / 0.1268 12.68 0.1268 25 / / 0.1249 12.49 0.1249 26 / / 0.1231 12.31 0.1231 27 / / 0.1212 12.12 0.1212 28 / / 0.1194 11.94 0.1194 29 / / 0.1176 11.76 0.1176 30 / / 0.1159 11.59 0.1159 31 / / 0.1141 11.41 0.1141 32 / / 0.1124 11.24 0.1124 33 / / 0.1108 11.08 0.1108 34 / / 0.1091 10.91 0.1091 35 / / 0.1075 10.75 0.1075 36 / / 0.1059 10.59 0.1059 37 / / 0.1043 10.43 0.1043 38 / / 0.1027 10.27 0.1027 39 / / 0.1012 10.12 0.1012 40 / / 0.0997 9.97 0.0997 41 / / 0.0982 9.82 0.0982 42 / / 0.0967 9.67 0.0967 43 / / 0.0953 9.53 0.0953 44 / / 0.0939 9.39 0.0939 45 / / 0.0925 9.25 0.0925 46 / / 0.0911 9.11 0.0911 47 / / 0.0897 8.97 0.0897 48 / / 0.0884 8.84 0.0884 49 / / 0.0871 8.71 0.0871 50 / / 0.0857 8.57 0.0857 51 / / 0.0845 8.45 0.0845 52 / / 0.0832 8.32 0.0832 53 / / 0.0820 8.20 0.0820 54 / / 0.0807 8.07 0.0807 55 / / 0.0795 7.95 0.0795 56 / / 0.0783 7.83 0.0783 57 / / 0.0772 7.72 0.0772 58 / / 0.0760 7.60 0.0760 59 / / 0.0749 7.49 0.0749 60 / / 0.0738 7.38 0.0738 61 / / 0.0727 7.27 0.0727 62 / / 0.0716 7.16 0.0716 63 / / 0.0705 7.05 0.0705 64 / / 0.0695 6.95 0.0695 65 / / 0.0684 6.84 0.0684 66 / / 0.0674 6.74 0.0674 67 / / 0.0664 6.64 0.0664 68 / / 0.0654 6.54 0.0654 69 / / 0.0644 6.44 0.0644 70 / / 0.0635 6.35 0.0635 71 / / 0.0625 6.25 0.0625 72 / / 0.0616 6.16 0.0616 73 / / 0.0607 6.07 0.0607 74 / / 0.0598 5.98 0.0598 75 / / 0.0589 5.89 0.0589 76 / / 0.0580 5.80 0.0580 77 / / 0.0571 5.71 0.0571 78 / / 0.0563 5.63 0.0563 79 / / 0.0554 5.54 0.0554 80 / / 0.0546 5.46 0.0546 81 / / 0.0538 5.38 0.0538 82 / / 0.0530 5.30 0.0530 83 / / 0.0522 5.22 0.0522 84 / / 0.0514 5.14 0.0514 85 / / 0.0506 5.06 0.0506 86 / / 0.0499 4.99 0.0499 87 / / 0.0491 4.91 0.0491 88 / / 0.0484 4.84 0.0484 89 / / 0.0477 4.77 0.0477 90 / / 0.0470 4.70 0.0470 91 / / 0.0463 4.63 0.0463 92 / / 0.0456 4.56 0.0456 93 / / 0.0449 4.49 0.0449 94 / / 0.0442 4.42 0.0442 95 / / 0.0436 4.36 0.0436 96 / / 0.0429 4.29 0.0429 97 / / 0.0423 4.23 0.0423 98 / / 0.0416 4.16 0.0416 99 / / 0.0410 4.10 0.0410 100 / / 0.0404 4.04 0.0404 101 / / 0.0398 3.98 0.0398 102 / / 0.0392 3.92 0.0392 103 / / 0.0386 3.86 0.0386 104 / / 0.0380 3.80 0.0380 105 / / 0.0375 3.75 0.0375 106 / / 0.0369 3.69 0.0369 107 / / 0.0364 3.64 0.0364 108 / / 0.0358 3.58 0.0358 109 / / 0.0353 3.53 0.0353 110 / / 0.0348 3.48 0.0348 111 / / 0.0342 3.42 0.0342 112 / / 0.0337 3.37 0.0337 113 / / 0.0332 3.32 0.0332 114 / / 0.0327 3.27 0.0327 115 / / 0.0322 3.22 0.0322 116 / / 0.0318 3.18 0.0318 117 / / 0.0313 3.13 0.0313 118 / / 0.0308 3.08 0.0308 119 / / 0.0304 3.04 0.0304 120 / / 0.0299 2.99 0.0299 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hi Darkarchon, Thanks! This is very helpful! I see that you have 1mg of Xanax. My pill is 0.25mg, would I still dilute this in 2mls of vodka and 98mls of water to get the same dosages as listed in the schedule? Also I have always taken it in the evening, but my doctor suggested splitting the dose and take at 3 and 9pm, thinking that it might help with the headache. However I noticed that I'm feeling worse in the morning. So I'm wondering if I should just continue at night, or just take the full dose every morning instead. I started a different medication to help with sleep about a month ago when I was previously tapering. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 My pill is 0.25mg, would I still dilute this in 2mls of vodka and 98mls of water to get the same dosages as listed in the schedule? Yes. 4 pills x 0.25mg = 1mg of Xanax. It should dissolve in 2ml of vodka. If you need to add an extra ml of vodka, that is fine as well (to ensure it all dissolves). If the vodka does not cover all the pills, then crush them first. Add water and total it up to 100ml. This is good for the next 10-14 days. It does dissolve very quickly. Also I have always taken it in the evening... I noticed that I'm feeling worse in the morning. So I'm wondering if I should just continue at night, Some people like myself do 1 dose a day. Some do in the morning, while I do it at night. Others do split-dosing. If taking it at night works for you, then keep at it. The key is to find something that works for you, and allows you the best odds of being stable and functional while tapering. Remember the mantra: freedom, by any means necessary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 Thanks again! I’m a little nervous about using four pills to dissolve, would it be possible to do one pill a day? I only get 10 pills at a time unfortunately. Is there another solvent, or is alcohol really ok to use? Sorry just worried I won’t do it correctly and desperate to do it the best way possible. How have you symptoms been so far? I’m still surprised for myself that this small dose is giving me so much trouble. I’m sure my thoughts make it worse of course. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Sorry just worried I won’t do it correctly and desperate to do it the best way possible. How have you symptoms been so far? I’m still surprised for myself that this small dose is giving me so much trouble. I’m sure my thoughts make it worse of course. Vodka is perfectly fine and safe to use. Xanax dissolves immediately in it, and we are talking about a very teeny-tiny amount of vodka. My symptoms were a bit harsh when I first started the micro tapering, but I was still functional, stable, and sleeping well. The symptoms started to slowly ease up every day. I feel that I heal every day, and I love knowing that my dosage is reducing every day. Nowadays, I am still tapering down, and have minimal symptoms. Read this: [*]Place 0.5ml regular store vodka (80 proof) in your container (old glass jar with lid will be fine) [*]Tilt your container so all the vodka is on one side [*]Drop the 0.25mg Xanax pill into the vodka [*]Make sure the vodka covers the entire pill [*]If needed, add a couple of more drops of vodka to cover the entire pill [*]Keep the container tilted as the Xanax dissolves away (about 5 min) [*]Add water to make a total of 25 ml solution. If your vodka was 0.5ml, then add 24.5ml water This solution is at a strength of 0.01mg/ml. This means, to take 0.182mg, you will ingest 18.2ml of solution. You can mix in juice and drink. This strength gives you more control as you get into the single digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 Thanks again! Can I still go by your last schedule doing it this way since it’s the same concentration? It’s great that you are able to do this now with minimal symptoms, I hope that will be the same for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Can I still go by your last schedule doing it this way since it’s the same concentration? Yes. It is still 0.01mg/ml. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Did you have any difficulty switching to liquid titration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Did you have any difficulty switching to liquid titration? Hello. I did not have any difficulty at all. If it helps, you could stabilize on the liquid solution and then begin the taper. I did have symptoms during tapering (brain zaps, muscle tremors, increased blood pressure, anxiety, etc), but those are to be expected as the benzo is being slowly being reduced in the body. I took my Xanax during bedtime, and it allowed me to get a good night of sleep. This allowed me to tackle the day with comfort. How is your tapering coming along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 I tried the liquid titration last night and took 18mls. How do you know for sure that you are getting the exact concentration of the drug? I swirled it around so that it was suspended throughout but still seemed as though there was more on the bottom after I took out the 18 mls. I put the 0.25 in the glass jar, 0.5 ml of vodka, 24.5 ml of water, swirled it, pulled out 18mls. I’m worried that the strength will vary a lot daily by more than it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 This is the dilemma, I've seen a lot of discussion about solution vs suspension. I don't know where you're located but in the US, Xanax comes in a liquid from the manufacturer. https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=b945ac6f-796e-41ef-85e9-61007e4a4e9a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 Yea, I tried it and feel awful today so I’m not feeling confident about the LDMT. I’m thinking I should stick to cutting by 1/4 and holding until ready to make another cut. I might ask my doctor for the liquid but I doubt he’ll say yes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 How do you know for sure that you are getting the exact concentration of the drug? How do you feel after taking 18ml? Same as when you were taking 0.18mg pill? If you were stable on 0.18mg pill, are you stable on 0.18ml solution? ...there was more on the bottom after I took out the 18 mls. Those may be binders and fillers in the pill. I see them in my solution as well, and I just keep pulling my dosage as needed. I’m worried that the strength will vary a lot daily by more than it should. I swirl/shake the solution around and then pull from the middle. I was worried about wild swings, but it was surprisingly smooth. The most important thing is how you feel. Can you stabilize on the solution (for a few days) and then start your micro-taper? Note that when you do micro-taper, you may feel a few things, and that is part of the process. Listen to your body and your symptoms, and let them guide you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 When I took the 18ml I felt like I did when I took half the pill instead of 3/4 of the pill. Just felt off and irritable and more anxious. I felt like I stabilized on 3/4 of the pill and had been holding at that dose. I figured it was because I might have taken much less, but when I split the pill myself I’m sure it’s not completely accurate either. I’m just not sure the liquid titration is going to work for me and wonder if I should try to go down by 1/4 again to 0.125 and maybe try liquid titration from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 When I took the 18ml I felt like I did when I took half the pill instead of 3/4 of the pill. That means 18ml made you feel like you took 0.125mg? By this math, 27ml will equate 0.1875mg. If you are are comfortable, you could look at increasing your solution dosage to see if this gives you better stability. Some folks taper with pills, some do liquid, some do a mix. It just depends on one's comfort level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ho...] Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 No I just meant that taking the 18mls made me feel like I did when I took .125 mg, in the past I got down to .125mg by cutting the 0.25 in half. But technically I took 3/4 of the 0.25mg pill or 182mg, or 18mls from the solution you recommended using the 0.25mg pills. Im just worried that the concentration will fluctuate too much and I’ll feel worse than cutting the pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[da...] Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Im just worried that the concentration will fluctuate too much and I’ll feel worse than cutting the pill. It should not fluctuate too much if the pill is well dissolved and you have shaken/swirled it around. Could you try increasing your ml dosage to see how you feel? For e.g. if you take 25ml solution, do you feel stable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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