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Biological Psychiatry—Greatest Health Care Fraud in History

 

By Fred A. Baughman Jr., MD

 

February 11, 2010

 

In Revising Book On Disorders Of the Mind, Benedict Carey (NY Times, A-1, February 10, 2010) writes, “Far fewer children would get a diagnosis of bipolar disorder.” Were this to result from a re-write of psychiatry’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM), Rebecca Riley of Hull, Massachusetts, diagnosed ADHD and ‘bipolar at 2 ½ years of age, multiply drugged and dead at 4, might still be alive today. I am a physician (a neurologist), who like all real physicians diagnoses and treats organic/physical diseases—demonstrable abnormalities–gross (a mass, tumor), microscopic (cancer cells) or chemical (diabetes, gout, PKU). Whether a physical abnormality is present or not determines whether a disease is present or not—the physical abnormality is the disease. Nor is this ever altered by a rewrite of or any article or text, as is characteristic of psychiatry. Because psychiatrists go to medical school, learn of things normal, abnormal (diseases, pathology) and how to tell the difference (diagnosis), their legerdemain leads the naïve, trusting, public-at-large to believe that the ‘diseases’/ ‘disorders’/ ‘chemical imbalances’ they diagnose from their magical DSM are actual diseases and that the poisons they reflexively prescribe actually balance a chemical imbalance within the brain that these charlatans neither know or understand. Nor are they interested any longer in understanding the Mind that Carey’s title references.

 

Medications and medication checks are what they are all about today, which with no disease/abnormality to make normal or more nearly so, are exogenous chemicals put into the normal body and brain (as in Rebecca Riley’s)—poisons. In fact, all drugs are poisons. Only those that make a disease/abnormality normal or more nearly normal can be called medications (e.g., insulin for diabetes, penicillin for an infection). Carey continues: “For months they (revisions) have been the subject of intense speculation and lobbying by advocacy groups…” Since when do physicians determine diagnoses by the “lobbying of advocacy groups…”? I never did. Do cardiologists? Cancer specialists? Will advocacy groups determine your diagnoses? Your child’s? “Your treatment?” Psychiatrist Michael First, an editor of the DSM-IV, states, “Anything you put in that book, any little change you make, has huge implications not only for psychiatry but for pharmaceutical marketing, research, for the legal system, for who’s considered to be normal or not, for whose considered disabled… the more disorders you put in, the more people get labels…” If this does not send shivers down your spine you are asleep or already drugged. Psychiatrist, Jack McClellan of the University of Washington confessed, “The treatment of bipolar disorder is meds first, meds second and meds third…” Exactly Rebecca Riley’s prescription.

 

On Nov 10, 2008, Supriya Sharma, Director General of Health Canada (like our FDA) wrote “For mental/psychiatric disorders in general, including depression, anxiety, schizophrenia and ADHD, there are no confirmatory gross, microscopic or chemical abnormalities that have been validated for objective physical diagnosis…” On March 12, 2009, Donald Dobbs of the FDA reluctantly confessed, “I consulted with the FDA new drug review division responsible for approving psychiatric drug products and they concurred with the response you enclosed from Health Canada.” In other words, ‘no disease’! And yet the CDC reports that 4.5 million children 5-17 years of age were diagnosed with ADHD as of 2006 and that diagnoses were increasing at 3% per year. Diagnoses of so-called ‘childhood bipolar disorder’ rose from zero in the mid-nineties to between 2 and 3 million today, largely due to the disease-mongering efforts of Biederman, et al of the Harvard/Massacheusetts General Hospital Department of Pediatric Psychopharmacology.

 

In 2009 Gould et al reported that that the rate of sudden cardiac deaths in children on amphetamines/psychostimulants for the fraudulent, non-existent ‘disease’ ADHD is 7.4 times as prevalent as in children taking no such medication, while Ray et al reported that the rate of sudden cardiac deaths in adults on antipsychotics is twice that in a normal control population.

 

If one poison doesn’t get you that the next one will. Or, as in the case of Rebecca Riley, are we doomed by diagnosis—374 of them in the DSM-IV. How many there will be in the 2013, DSM-V?

 

Physicians are supposed to diagnose and treat diseases—physical abnormalities, and they are supposed to be patient advocates. Here we learn that psychiatrists do not diagnose or treat actual diseases and that that they advocate not for their patients but for Big Pharma—the pharmaceutical industry. They are, in fact, an arm of Big Pharma and of government and will control us with their diagnoses and drugs whenever asked to do so and whenever more profit is called for.

 

Their disease-mongering insists that one in four adults—approximately 57.7 million Americans— experience a mental health disorder in a given year, that one in 17 lives with a serious mental illness and that one in 10 children live with a serious mental or emotional disorder.

 

Will you sit still for diagnosis and drugging? Are we lemmings or what?

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While I do have concerns about young children being over-medicated for mental health diagnoses, I don't agree with his premise that doctors should only be treating physical abnormalities.  Just because there currently isn't a way to diagnose a disorder such as PTSD, for instance, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or should be treated.  In my opinion.  ;)
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While I do have concerns about young children being over-medicated for mental health diagnoses, I don't agree with his premise that doctors should only be treating physical abnormalities.  Just because there currently isn't a way to diagnose a disorder such as PTSD, for instance, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or should be treated.  In my opinion.  ;)

 

And your opinion is valid.

 

I on the other hand would prefer some kind of empirical evidence before myself or anyone in my family was sedated with not only mind, but physically, altering toxins.  I find it terrifying that an old boy's club meets on occasion to update their "book of souls" with much absurdity to guarantee a lined pocket.

 

I will put some faith in psychiatry when the following criteria are met.

 

 

1: No profit from drug prescriptions.

 

2: A 30% cure rate over all patients.

 

3: The mechanics of the medicationstoxins are fully describable.

 

4:  The mechanics of the functions said toxins manipulate.

 

5:  Normal human qualities stop being labeled as "illnesses"

 

 

The current practice of psychiatry is morally bankrupt, legions of addicted customers are being created on the basis of an unproven theory.  At present we don't have the ability to detect ghosts or extra terrestrials but we still act with caution towards such ideas.  At present psychiatry is somewhere between a cult like scientology and a religion.  Lot's of belief and faith, but little empirical evidence to back it up.

 

 

Whilst putting your faith in a God is likely to bring one closer to heaven, putting your faith in psychiatry is just as likely to plunge you into purgatory if not hell. 

 

 

I'd put my faith in russian roulette over psychiatry any day.

 

That's just my opinion, based on experience.

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Well I have a Mental Illness and I know it's real dx with it very young..

 

PTSD is part of it ..

 

I will say it again and again, I'm not Pro-Benzo, but there are people who need medication..

I've seen a share of it, all I'm saying.

 

A normal human quality isn't hearing voices, that's not normal at all or to go in full psychosis..

 

I'm not being rude in any matter, but stuff like this is why Schizophrenic's and Bipolar's stop taking their meds.

The more I see it, the more I think it's just outright poisonous and just throw it down only to go into psychosis a week later.. probably.

 

Again not being rude at all.. just saying.

 

And no I'm not going to throw my meds down, but this makes one think in paranoia.

 

Keryn.

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The problem is that the drug companies cannot pull a profit from treating people who have a real need for psychiatric medication because there are not enough of them.  So they send out teams of hot blondes in short skirts to buy lunch for lazy doctors and present them with flashy pamphlets about all the "conditions" they should be diagnosing and treating with their magic pill d'jour.  All of a sudden, millions of people find that their situational anxiety is actually "GAD," their trouble focusing at work is "ADHD," and their fluctuating mood is "bi-polar disorder."  And if you are never manic, well then that's obviously because you're "bipolar II."  

 

The most whacked out thing about all this stuff is that noone - not even the drug companies - know how any of these drugs actually work or how they affect our brains long term.  Nevermind that benzodiazepines ultimately exacerbate anxiety symptoms and do no relieve them, that use of stimulants and anti-depressants in children is now being linked to more severe psychiatric disorders in adulthood, and that all of these drugs appear to have longstanding post-withdrawal syndromes for many people.  

 

Noone can dispute the need for psychiatric drugs for some conditions, but their over-prescription by reckless doctors and our culture's dependence on them is disgusting.  

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Well I have a Mental Illness and I know it's real dx with it very young..

 

PTSD is part of it ..

 

I will say it again and again, I'm not Pro-Benzo, but there are people who need medication..

I've seen a share of it, all I'm saying.

 

A normal human quality isn't hearing voices, that's not normal at all or to go in full psychosis..

 

I'm not being rude in any matter, but stuff like this is why Schizophrenic's and Bipolar's stop taking their meds.

The more I see it, the more I think it's just outright poisonous and just throw it down only to go into psychosis a week later.. probably.

 

Again not being rude at all.. just saying.

 

And no I'm not going to throw my meds down, but this makes one think in paranoia.

 

Keryn.

 

I agree with you. My brother has paranoid schizophrenia, and meds did him a lot of good. They have found physical abnormalities with schizophrenia and many other disorders. They've found a genetic basis for much of it, and it is pretty clear that dopamine is implemented.

 

On the other hand, it's ridiculous the number of kids being prescribed meds for ADHD. I think society should adjust and stop making kids sit in chairs all day.

 

Surely there's a happy medium here...

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http://allpsych.com/disorders/disorders_alpha.html

 

 

a guidebook to prescription profiteering.

 

 

Pysch meds used to be confined to psych hospitals, prescribed by professionals to people with serious disorders.

 

Now they are forced on people for no good reason by untrained doctors on the basis of a 5 minute consultation.

 


 

I thought the physical abnormalities found in SOME schizophrenia patients were very small and in fact found in people without schizophrenia too.  Do you have links to any definitive studies that I could add to my knowledge base please?

 


 

Sorry to hear that keryn,  if you don't mind me asking what are the voices like?  who do they sound like, what do they say?

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Well I have a Mental Illness and I know it's real dx with it very young..

 

PTSD is part of it ..

 

I will say it again and again, I'm not Pro-Benzo, but there are people who need medication..

I've seen a share of it, all I'm saying.

 

A normal human quality isn't hearing voices, that's not normal at all or to go in full psychosis..

 

I'm not being rude in any matter, but stuff like this is why Schizophrenic's and Bipolar's stop taking their meds.

The more I see it, the more I think it's just outright poisonous and just throw it down only to go into psychosis a week later.. probably.

 

Again not being rude at all.. just saying.

 

And no I'm not going to throw my meds down, but this makes one think in paranoia.

 

Keryn.

 

I agree with you. My brother has paranoid schizophrenia, and meds did him a lot of good. They have found physical abnormalities with schizophrenia and many other disorders. They've found a genetic basis for much of it, and it is pretty clear that dopamine is implemented.

 

On the other hand, it's ridiculous the number of kids being prescribed meds for ADHD. I think society should adjust and stop making kids sit in chairs all day.

 

Surely there's a happy medium here...

 

I'm sorry to hear that, it's no fun to live with.. especially the fear of going in to psychosis which is hard to deal with, I had an uncle who was in and out of Hospitals for it for 40 years.. of his life.. on my Grandmother's side of the family from which it comes. I know it's hard to believe for many people that it exists, especially on a Benzo form, and I totally understand..

I have a lot of compassion for others who struggle with this because it can degenerate one so much.. the boredom, apathy.. and so on you feel in w/d is like that in Schizophrenia..

Yes it affects dopamine, I don't know much about how the brain functions when I get too out of it.. you can't tell what is real or not..

People can live a productive life with it, I went through a lot to grasp the understanding of it, well what I do know of it.

 

Oh, I don't agree with children put on Ritalin, Concerta whatever because they're hyper..so on, I was a hyper kid.. many kids are hyper.. so I see no need to put them on a medication for ADD or ADHD..

In fact, I know a 3rd Grader who is on Paxil, Concerta, and something else..

It's sad.

 

Keryn.

 

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http://allpsych.com/disorders/disorders_alpha.html

 

 

a guidebook to prescription profiteering.

 

 

Pysch meds used to be confined to psych hospitals, prescribed by professionals to people with serious disorders.

 

Now they are forced on people for no good reason by untrained doctors on the basis of a 5 minute consultation.

 


 

I thought the physical abnormalities found in SOME schizophrenia patients were very small and in fact found in people without schizophrenia too.  Do you have links to any definitive studies that I could add to my knowledge base please?

 


 

Sorry to hear that keryn,  if you don't mind me asking what are the voices like?  who do they sound like, what do they say?

 

Amano,

 

All over the Internet, there's research and so on about it.. stories.. even a forum.

I've had people in my family who went through suicide because of it, not saying I am..or anything like that.

 

AntiPsychotics are a roll of the dice.. I've been on almost all of them.. even Haldol and once Thorazine..

I had ECT.. I got so bad, it's got better.. sadly, I still have to use medication.. Risperdal, Invega.

 

I have heard voices, many times it sounds like that of a Radio Frequency and inside those signals heard are numbers ..

Once I had an episode, i was walking through the house and everything turned an antique colour, like a blur.. I thought I was hearing Numbers called out to me in German, I heard Radio Frequencies trying to tune in, it's the space noise I call it, I figured I had a tap (chip) inside my head and was living in Germany, while Hitler was at reign.. It seemed very real.. that's the only way I can explain it.. it's like a time travel.. I was taken to the hospital, injected with Haldol and then institutionalized.. this was just one episode, as long as i stay on the AntiPsych's i'm ok, but if I throw them down.. It comes back.

 

I don't remember everything I do in Psychosis .. It's hard to explain.. to explain it is like trying to explain w/d to a healthy individual who never touched one..

 

Keryn.

 

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http://allpsych.com/disorders/disorders_alpha.html

 

 

a guidebook to prescription profiteering.

 

 

Pysch meds used to be confined to psych hospitals, prescribed by professionals to people with serious disorders.

 

Now they are forced on people for no good reason by untrained doctors on the basis of a 5 minute consultation.

 


 

I thought the physical abnormalities found in SOME schizophrenia patients were very small and in fact found in people without schizophrenia too.  Do you have links to any definitive studies that I could add to my knowledge base please?

 


 

Sorry to hear that keryn,  if you don't mind me asking what are the voices like?  who do they sound like, what do they say?

 

Amano,

 

All over the Internet, there's research and so on about it.. stories.. even a forum.

I've had people in my family who went through suicide because of it, not saying I am..or anything like that.

 

AntiPsychotics are a roll of the dice.. I've been on almost all of them.. even Haldol and once Thorazine..

I had ECT.. I got so bad, it's got better.. sadly, I still have to use medication.. Risperdal, Invega.

 

I have heard voices, many times it sounds like that of a Radio Frequency and inside those signals heard are numbers ..

Once I had an episode, i was walking through the house and everything turned an antique colour, like a blur.. I thought I was hearing Numbers called out to me in German, I heard Radio Frequencies trying to tune in, it's the space noise I call it, I figured I had a tap (chip) inside my head and was living in Germany, while Hitler was at reign.. It seemed very real.. that's the only way I can explain it.. it's like a time travel.. I was taken to the hospital, injected with Haldol and then institutionalized.. this was just one episode, as long as i stay on the AntiPsych's i'm ok, but if I throw them down.. It comes back.

 

I don't remember everything I do in Psychosis .. It's hard to explain.. to explain it is like trying to explain w/d to a healthy individual who never touched one..

 

Keryn.

 

 

Sorry to hear that.  I understand exactly how it feels,  I have made myself into that kind of state before.  Very frightening and for all intents and purposes real.

 

I think a recent episode of House featured it.

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Keryn...you and I have "talked" about MY brother, who is also schizophrenic.  It is very real and it is a very hard illness to live with.  I have felt SO blessed getting to know you because WHO you are and What you have overcome is absolutely amazing to me and so encouraging.  I am going "home"  tomorrow and will be seeing my brother for the first time since this past summer.  I am hoping that I will be able to tell him about you...about what you are doing and aspiring to...and that he will find it to be encouraging to his own life.

 

Anyone who has had this illness come into the life of their family knows how devastating it can be.  My brother attempted suicide because of it back in his early 20's. 

 

Since there is a strong genetic component, I have watched my own two sons with an "eagle eye"...and have warned them both about the extreme dangers to them of both alcohol and street drug usage (which are known "triggers).  Sadly, neither of them are taking it seriously.

 

~Leena

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Keryn...you and I have "talked" about MY brother, who is also schizophrenic.  It is very real and it is a very hard illness to live with.  I have felt SO blessed getting to know you because WHO you are and What you have overcome is absolutely amazing to me and so encouraging.  I am going "home"  tomorrow and will be seeing my brother for the first time since this past summer.  I am hoping that I will be able to tell him about you...about what you are doing and aspiring to...and that he will find it to be encouraging to his own life.

 

Anyone who has had this illness come into the life of their family knows how devastating it can be.  My brother attempted suicide because of it back in his early 20's. 

 

Since there is a strong genetic component, I have watched my own two sons with an "eagle eye"...and have warned them both about the extreme dangers to them of both alcohol and street drug usage (which are known "triggers).  Sadly, neither of them are taking it seriously.

 

~Leena

I have felt SO blessed getting to know you

 

Thank you Leena, same here ;)

 

It is hard to live with.. but medication can decrease the effects of it, therapy combined too.. and I'm not pushing a medicine, just saying..

It has taken tolls on me .. myself, I, and so on.. Schizophrenia as I was explained (on medication) is a cluster of illness's into one, not just a straight out dx's.

I have different disorders from it.. OCD, Bipolar, DID, Dissociative at times, d/r, Anxiety, somewhat autistic .. delusions, hallucinations, fantasies, so on.. most hallucinations are auditory.. the low and high pitch frequency of things.. but I have accepted it, when first diagnosed I couldn't, I was hospitalized and so on.. medical history is checkered .. some things I don't even know. All in all, I think the illness actually sometimes help with what I do know.

 

It's good that you warned them about street drugs..

 

I hope all goes well with your Brother.. I have 4 Brother's and a Sister, 2 Brother's are Schizo as well..

 

My goal is to get off the Valium, in which I make another cut today. ;)

 

Keryn.

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Hi Keryn...I just discovered your post here (I forgot to check the little box to notify me of posts).

 

Thank you for giving more details about the cluster of illnesses.  I would really like to understand it all better.  I am glad to know that the medications you take help to control it...this is where we have to say that not all meds are bad, right?  My brother has lived most of his life since his diagnosis without using medication.  I think this is because back when he found out he had schizophrenia, the medications were pretty awful and had a lot of very undesirable side effects.  He hated how he felt and so he just would not take anything.  I think he has done remarkably well considering.  I am sad, though, that for much of his life he has just remained alone and kind of "hidden" (his choice, of course).  He might would have not had so much social phobia if he had tried some different medications.  He is very gifted in many ways...esp. on the computer.  I may have told you that he designed the business card for my painting business :).  He also has very interesting ideas about decorating...sees things in a very unique way!  It was great to be home with him...he had designed some computer art that he made copies of for me to frame!  I told him about you...and showed him your math thread! :)

 

Anyway...you are doing so well in your goal to taper off valium and it will be wonderful for you when you are finally free! 

 

~Leena :smitten:

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Hi Keryn...I just discovered your post here (I forgot to check the little box to notify me of posts).

 

Thank you for giving more details about the cluster of illnesses.  I would really like to understand it all better.  I am glad to know that the medications you take help to control it...this is where we have to say that not all meds are bad, right?  My brother has lived most of his life since his diagnosis without using medication.  I think this is because back when he found out he had schizophrenia, the medications were pretty awful and had a lot of very undesirable side effects.  He hated how he felt and so he just would not take anything.  I think he has done remarkably well considering.  I am sad, though, that for much of his life he has just remained alone and kind of "hidden" (his choice, of course).  He might would have not had so much social phobia if he had tried some different medications.  He is very gifted in many ways...esp. on the computer.  I may have told you that he designed the business card for my painting business :).  He also has very interesting ideas about decorating...sees things in a very unique way!  It was great to be home with him...he had designed some computer art that he made copies of for me to frame!  I told him about you...and showed him your math thread! :)

 

Anyway...you are doing so well in your goal to taper off valium and it will be wonderful for you when you are finally free! 

 

~Leena :smitten:

 

Leena,

 

I'm glad you had a nice time with your family.

Thank you for giving more details about the cluster of illnesses.  I would really like to understand it all better.

Well.. I've described my experience as much as I can.. I can't really explain it in great depth.. because it's just so radical.

My brother has lived most of his life since his diagnosis without using medication.  I think this is because back when he found out he had schizophrenia, the medications were pretty awful and had a lot of very undesirable side effects.

Probably Haldol or Thorazine, I, myself have been on both.. and yes they have side effects, many do live without meds.. I'm just not one of them as of yet.. but I lead a productive life as much as possible.. I just fear going into Psychosis which is bad bad..

I explained the frequencies I hear like radio waves of space sort along with everything else.

See the moon melt, a guy following me named "Tim" and I get paranoid.. I recognize it ONLY on the meds, DID is very common in the illness as it's a disorder ..you can't sort yourself.. so you make different people.. I had several different fragments of me.. and sometimes still do.

I am sad, though, that for much of his life he has just remained alone and kind of "hidden" (his choice, of course).

Yes my life is hidden significantly and I'm here for help, it's just that my paranoia will not let me know ppl too much.. and I think at times ppl don't much like or care for me.. (this is part of the illness itself.)

It sounds like your brother has a very nice talent going there.. mine is Mathematics and it relaxes me to solve things, altho I sometimes have to look over and over it to make sure it's 100% correct or I will not have a thing to do with it.

I as well have a social phobia to a degree, I may tutor but I'm medicated and doing fairly ok..

 

Anyway...you are doing so well in your goal to taper off valium and it will be wonderful for you when you are finally free! 

I can't wait till that day!

I hate Valium, it may be smoother but it has it's ups and downs..

 

Keryn.

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Hi Keryn,

 

Your post was very helpful...thank you!  Are both risperdal and invega used to keep psychosis from occurring?  Could you tell if a psychotic episode were about to come?  And is it possible to stop it?

 

One of my sons used to see a counselor who has a brother who is schizophrenic.  The counselor and I talked a bit about our brothers, and he told me something interesting.  He said that there are studies which have found that once someone who has schizophrenia reaches the age of about 50, things tend to "even out" and they feel more "normal".  He talked about how productive his brother has been since he hit that age and is doing things he never could have done before.

 

I keep meaning to go and see if I can research more about what he said.  My brother is 54...and seems more "content" than I have seen him since he was a boy.  For my brother, the "flat affect" has always been a big issue...very little outward show of emotion.  Now he smiles and laughs!

 

I am so glad that you have found a combination of meds that allows you to function so well and to be able to work and to live independently.  You mentioned the Haldol and Thorazine...I believe my brother took both and they made him feel not "himself" at all...and that is why he quit.  I remember when Clozapine (I think that is the name of it) came out and sounded so promising...my dad was hoping my brother would try it but I don't believe he ever did.

 

Well, thank you for always being so willing to provide information, Keryn.  You have a vast family here at BBs who love you and who are pulling for you to succeed, not only with your valium taper but in your life goals and direction.

 

~Leena :smitten:

 

 

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Hi Keryn,

 

Your post was very helpful...thank you!  Are both risperdal and invega used to keep psychosis from occurring?  Could you tell if a psychotic episode were about to come?  And is it possible to stop it?

 

One of my sons used to see a counselor who has a brother who is schizophrenic.  The counselor and I talked a bit about our brothers, and he told me something interesting.  He said that there are studies which have found that once someone who has schizophrenia reaches the age of about 50, things tend to "even out" and they feel more "normal".  He talked about how productive his brother has been since he hit that age and is doing things he never could have done before.

 

I keep meaning to go and see if I can research more about what he said.  My brother is 54...and seems more "content" than I have seen him since he was a boy.  For my brother, the "flat affect" has always been a big issue...very little outward show of emotion.  Now he smiles and laughs!

 

I am so glad that you have found a combination of meds that allows you to function so well and to be able to work and to live independently.  You mentioned the Haldol and Thorazine...I believe my brother took both and they made him feel not "himself" at all...and that is why he quit.  I remember when Clozapine (I think that is the name of it) came out and sounded so promising...my dad was hoping my brother would try it but I don't believe he ever did.

 

Well, thank you for always being so willing to provide information, Keryn.  You have a vast family here at BBs who love you and who are pulling for you to succeed, not only with your valium taper but in your life goals and direction.

 

~Leena :smitten:

 

 

 

 

Your post was very helpful...thank you!  Are both risperdal and invega used to keep psychosis from occurring?

You're welcome, pretty much they are.. Invega is a newer one I think.

Could you tell if a psychotic episode were about to come?  And is it possible to stop it?

Yes and no, hard to say, when it starts .. that frequency sound starts up and apathy (not w/d related).

To stop it, I just take more Risperdal.. or whatever I have too.. because I can't end up in a hospital in w/d, they would reinstate me on klonopin probably and I can't do that.

One of my sons used to see a counselor who has a brother who is schizophrenic.  The counselor and I talked a bit about our brothers, and he told me something interesting.  He said that there are studies which have found that once someone who has schizophrenia reaches the age of about 50, things tend to "even out" and they feel more "normal".  He talked about how productive his brother has been since he hit that age and is doing things he never could have done before.

Yes, sometimes with age it does go away as I have been told... I can't really say.. everyone with it varies.

For my brother, the "flat affect" has always been a big issue...very little outward show of emotion.

Yes there is a flat effect..it's like that flat effect in w/d really.. not much difference..it's apathetic.

It's good he shows emotion..

I have never taken Clozapine for it..

Ya the Haldol will put one out 24/7.

You're welcome Leena..

Yes hopefully I will be off the Valium soon ;)

 

Keryn.

 

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