Author Topic: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'  (Read 974 times)

[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2019, 06:38:10 am »
Sky, I completely agree with you about bio-individuality. I realised at the beginning of this journey that if I waited for cutting-edge research to be known/applied in the mainstream, I'd be waiting about 20 years. A doctor I spoke to mentioned that this is, on average, how long it takes for new research findings to filter through into general practice. So...I don't have that kinda patience. So, gently and slowly I started testing on myself.

I based my choices on similar research that you posted here. Very useful. I was particularly keen on L. rhamnosus, as I'd read some excellent studies on its anxyolitic potential. But then found I couldn't tolerate any of the Lacto strains (ugh). Same with Saccharomyces-Boulardii (S. boulardii) -- I just hit the wall. It wasn't pretty  ::) .

Couldn't figure it out. Then noticed that some of my w/d symptoms mimic those of autistic kiddos (glutamate/over-stimulation & digestive stuff). And many of the kids don't tolerate histamine. Or d-lactate. That was key for me. I couldn't tolerate the probiotics designed even for histamine intolerance, as I also could not metabolize d-lactate. And so the only probiotic I could find that addresses both these issues, was the Lifted one -- specific bifidus strains only. And it seems to be working.

Thanks for your post, Sky!
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2019, 09:37:16 am »
[...] 

this one might help you. I take it and  it addresses the d.lactate issue  also
see the link below. this is a copy and paste from the link  however much more
info there. 

No D-Lactate acidosis
Lactobacillus acidophilus can work wonders in the gut by producing lactic acid. But for some, this can become a problem.

Lactate, derived from lactic acid, comes in two isomeric forms, d-lactate and l-lactate.  Most of us have the capacity to metabolize both forms to some extent and turn it into pyruvic acid.

But for various reasons, some people can’t metabolize d-lactate effectively enough to keep up the d-lactate produced by gut bacteria. As a result, the d-lactate can build up in the body and cause d-lactate acidosis.[2]

If this is a concern for your clients, you’ll love GutPro® Probiotic Capsules. We’ve kept any probiotic strains associated with d-lactate acidosis out of our formula.

Yes, we do include strains like Lactobacillus plantarum, which can produce d-lactate under certain conditions. But here’s what we’ve learned in our extensive research:

This strain primarily produces l-lactate. Only under certain conditions does L. plantarum produce d-lactate. Better yet, L. plantarum may even help with acidosis by helping the body maintain a lactate equilibrium. And unlike L. acidophilus, L. plantarum is transient. It doesn’t take up residence in the gut and shift the ecosystem that dramatically.

Because of the powerful health benefits associated with this strain, we decided to keep it in the formula. Based on our research and years of customer satisfaction, we’re confident it does not contribute to d-lactate acidosis.

(Note, GutPro® Infant has no L. plantarum in its formula)

GutPro® Capsules can keep your body’s d-lactate in balance. But that’s not the only way this formula is designed for your patients…

No spore-producing bacteria or streptococcus thermophilus
For people concerned about spore-producing Bacillus bacteria or Streptococcus thermophilus (e.g. soil bacteria), we’ve made sure to keep these strains out as well.

While the research is still ongoing about the impact these strains have on our systems, we believe that quite often, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. We decided to play it safe and keep this formula simple and easy on the most sensitive bodies.

But of course, it’s not just the probiotic strains you need to worry about.  Most probiotics supplements are only 10% to 20% probiotics and 80% to 90% something else…

 Have read of this link.   
https://organic3.com/supplements/probiotics/gutpro-capsules/

Good luck  :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2019, 11:27:28 am »
Sky, this is fantastic info, thanks so much!

I was aware of l-lactate, but not its connection to L. plantarum -- or a product that aims to address lactate equilibrium. I'm bookmarking this, as I've read that it's best to rotate probiotics (greater variety), if possible.

What I'll do is work up on the Lifted (the bifidus strains are the first to colonize the infant gut, as I understand, so to me it makes sense to start there if you're very sick/sensitive -- I see GutPro Infant does not include the L. plantarum). Once I can tolerate 2 capsules a day, I'll try to bring the GutPro product in. And perhaps report back here.

Just this morning, I found this study: 'Increased D-Lactic Acid Intestinal Bacteria in Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' -- http://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/23/4/621.long  This makes sense to me, as I used to suffer from CFS (while poly-drugged).

I've now been on modest amounts of the Lifted product for about a week. Had some mild pain and stomach upset, at first, and a slight uptick in insomnia, but nothing like I've experienced on other products. And just this week, for the first time since last December, I've been having a few mornings of considerably less depression.... So we'll see.

Thanks again, Sky. This might really be useful for others, too, as I've read several success stories where buddies have seen great results with probiotics. I'm a believer, so I was so disappointed when I couldn't find a high-quality product that I could tolerate....

PS I really like your Lawana Blackwell quote.
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2019, 05:07:38 pm »
[...], you're very welcome.

I had problems with probiotics, too -- couldn't tolerate any. I did some research and found out that it's most likely that we don't tolerate something called d-lactic acid, in addition to histamine. (Most of us have histamine issues in w/d.) The trick is to try a probiotic that's d-lactate and histamine free.

So I found one of the few that fulfills that requirement: Lifted Bifidus Mood Boost. (There's also one by Custom Probiotics, but I think it's more pricey; autistic kiddos have great results with it.) But you have to start low and slow...as in a quarter or less of a capsule every second day. And work your way up to 1 to 2 a day. Then stick to it for at least 2 to 6 months.... I'm trying that now. So far, so good. First one I've been able to tolerate.

Wishing you well, [...]!

[...]

Interesting, [...]! I'm glad it's working for you. I'll have to look that up! Thank you!
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2019, 07:33:38 pm »
[...],
 your welcome and I do hope others benefit as well from what they read.

We all share if and when we can anyway we can
in the  hope this might help others also.

 So many opinions
for so many symptoms that crop up, in different areas
it can be confusing about what is required individually often.

I think there are so many areas that need addressing, and
there is never just one problem to address, ( thats life I guess)
 however the most problematic ones we each individually have to face
 need addressing first ( like the gut issues) I found and then
 we  need to let mother nature
 plus listening to our own needs to help us heal.

I hope you find  more healing happening for you soon.   :smitten:

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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2019, 01:58:21 am »
Thanx Guys.. :)
-Guess I got some reading to do..

I started adding some general?? Pro-biotics a couple of months ago, and so far so good...
-Esp a good change in stool consistency/motility.. (sorry Tmi)

:)
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2019, 06:50:56 am »
Where do you guys find all these different strains to experiment with?  This is very interesting stuff.
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2019, 06:56:08 am »

I hope you find  more healing happening for you soon.   :smitten:

Sky, I wish the same for you! Thanks for the useful posts.
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2019, 07:00:26 am »

I started adding some general?? Pro-biotics a couple of months ago, and so far so good...
-Esp a good change in stool consistency/motility.. (sorry Tmi)

:)

[...], that's good that you can tolerate a general probiotic. As for TMI: if I've learnt one thing, it's that tmi is kind of a non-issue here on BB....  ::)

I always enjoy bumping into to you.  ;) Hope it goes better and better for you.
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[Buddie]

Re: 'The Future of Psychiatry May Be Inside Your Stomach'
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2019, 07:07:19 am »
Where do you guys find all these different strains to experiment with?  This is very interesting stuff.

[...],

As far as I know, you can order very specific individual strains from Custom Probiotics, in the States. I'm in Africa, so that makes it more challenging. Been researching and reading for a long time, then try to find close matches for promising strains in products I have access to.

Research is still in its infancy, regarding the gut biome. The use of probiotic strains to treat mental imbalances is now called psychobiotics, in some quarters. I'll try to post more findings as I come across them.
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