Author Topic: Mornings are a horror, Why?  (Read 573 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Mornings are a horror, Why?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2019, 10:38:22 pm »
This is not meant to cause further concerns for people already struggling.  It is meant to inform.

Response to [...]-  I respectfully but vehemently disagree with your assertion. If "man-up and gut it out," works for you, great, not everyone is that fortunate.  People have different genetics, responses to drugs, etc. The probability of thyroid disruption for the average American is very high, and in this group especially due to the stress of withdrawal.  It's a legitimate concern and a reasonable thing to investigate. Anything that can help and is easily treated should be.

Thyroid hormone prescriptions are the #2 most commonly written prescription in USA for 2019.  Previously it was #1.  Hashimoto's thyroiditis is epidemic in the USA according to medical journals. Why? There are hormone disruptors found in many commonly used products.  Due to plastic containers, especially bottled water, we consume the equivalent of a credit card of plastic per week.   https://abcnews.go.com/US/humans-consume-equivalent-credit-card-worth-plastic-week/story?id=63687144

Oxybenzone is a fat soluble carrier agent that penetrates the skin. It's used in shampoo, skin care products, especially women's cosmetics and fragrances, and all kinds of lipstick/ lip balm products.  The CDC did a study and found dangerously high levels in children as young as 6yo. It disrupts normal hormones especially the thyroid. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29086472

This chemical is found in over 95% of all sunscreens...the thing we're all told to use! It contaminants bodies of water and cannot be removed by normal water filtering. It is so damaging that the state of Hawaii banned these sunscreens as it is killing off coral reefs. https://time.com/4080985/sunscreen-coral-reefs/

There is good rational, scientifically backed data to warrant checking your thyroid.
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[Buddie]

Re: Mornings are a horror, Why?
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2019, 12:02:30 am »
The reply is lengthy, but I think it thoroughly covers the topic.  I offer references and resources so that each of you can decide what is best for you. I am writing from scientific data, not an opinion.

For those of you requesting more information:
There are numerous blogs written by thyroid patients that contain great information. Some authors are medical professionals others are not. While they do not concentrate on withdrawal, they often mention it. http://www.tiredthyroid.com *She has an excellent e-book.
https://hypothyroidmom.com/the-focus-on-thyroid-lab-test-results-is-failing-patients/

This site is run by medical professionals so it is very detailed and a little technical, but don't let that put you off. There are excellent scientifically documented sections that may be useful to print off and give to a reluctant doctor.  https://www.nahypothyroidism.org/how-accurate-is-tsh-testing/
 
Excerpt from e-book that explains thyroid /cortisol relationship-
The hypothalamus, pituitary, and thyroid must all be healthy and functional for cortisol to be produced by the adrenal glands.  This is referred to as the HPT (hypothalamus-pituitary-thyroid) axis.  A malfunction in any gland in this process and lack of the appropriate signal will result in low cortisol production....

Because so many seeking help on thyroid internet forums have low cortisol symptoms, they are often advised to take hydrocortisone before they start on thyroid hormone so they don’t experience an adrenal crisis.  However, most of these people do not have true Addison’s disease, which means they may just have sluggish adrenal glands caused by low thyroid hormone levels.  The addition of thyroid hormone may “reactivate” their adrenal glands to produce cortisol again.  Anecdotal testimonies suggest that it is the lack of triiodothyronine (T3, the active thyroid hormone) over many years that makes the adrenal glands sluggish.  Studies on thyroidectomized rats show that hypothyroidism induces adrenal insufficiency, which becomes progressively worse with time.  Initially, only the pituitary hormone that stimulates cortisol production, adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH), is decreased, but with time, the hypothalamus hormone that stimulates the pituitary, corticotropic-releasing hormone (CRH), also drops.[210]   The rats appear to suffer from primary, secondary, and tertiary adrenal insufficiency, even though lack of thyroid hormone was the original cause.  This illustrates the difficulty in diagnosing the cause of relative adrenal insufficiency. The thyroid gland primarily produces two thyroid hormones:  thyroxine (T4) and T3.  T4 can also convert to T3, adding to the total T3 content in the body.  T3 has a circadian rhythm and peaks in the human body around 4 a.m., about 90 minutes after Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) peaks.[211] TSH stimulates T4 to T3 conversion in the liver,[212]...

Cortisol also has a circadian rhythm and is lowest around midnight, starts to rise around 3 a.m., and is highest around 8:30 a.m.[213]  The rise in cortisol after T3 peaks suggests that T3 is what gives the adrenals the energy they need at that hour to produce cortisol. (The statement that follows is for already diagnosed and medically treated patients- Do not do this on your own!)  Patients taking a dose of T3 before waking have reported improved cortisol levels, and some that were taking hydrocortisone have been able to wean off.  Thyroidectomized animal studies show that low thyroid levels lead to low cortisol levels.  To correct low thyroid levels, thyroid hormone must be administered.  However, thyroid hormone replacement can trigger an adrenal crisis if cortisol levels are insufficient.  How can this vicious circle be broken?  Instead of taking hydrocortisone, the adrenals can be supported with various vitamins, herbs, and supplements, and thyroid hormone should be raised slowly.  Vitamins A, B, and C are found in high concentrations in the adrenal glands and can be supplemented.[214)
*the numbers are scientific citations for her statements.

Lougheed, [...] S.. Tired Thyroid: From Hyper to Hypo to Healing—Breaking the TSH Rule . Grain of Salt Publications LLC. Kindle Edition.


According to Dr. Abram Hoffer, Canadian psychiatrist, who treated withdrawal and mental disorders, niacin and vitamin C are especially useful.  He was able to help heroin addicts stop using without significant symptoms.  Detractors claim his original hypothesis of adrenochrome was inaccurate.  He stated that it was a working model, and if further research led elsewhere, no problem. Both vitamin C and niacin are benign substances that are not stored by humans.  Clinically it helps.

Buffered vitamin C - to support the adrenals.  Buffered form protects the gut from irritation. (Concerned about side effects of vitamins C? https://www.foodsmatter.com/nutrition_micronutrition/vitamins/articles/vit_c_therapy.html )

Niacin- calms anxiety and supports adrenals.  Although Dr. Hoffer used regular niacin, I couldn't take the flushing and use non-flush brand. It still helps.

Taurine- pseudo amino acid that is a natural anti-seizure med. It is found in bile salts made in the liver and consumed in meat. Works well for tremoring/muscle shaking.  It is the only substance known to reverse diabetic retinopathy.  Caution: It lowers blood sugar so you must take with food.  Is it safe? Good enough for the FDA as it is found in large quantities in energy drinks.

Vitamin A is a fat soluble vitamin crucial for all linings (gut, lungs, etc.), the skin, and the conversion of thyroid to its active form. Although overdose is possible, it is incredibly rarely reported in the literature unless someone downs an entire bottle or eats polar bear liver (1 million units per ounce.)

Ashwaganda is an adaptogen herb that uniquely can support low or high thyroid to help normalize it. Although I've not found evidence of a "toxic dose" level, generally the upward amount is about 1200-1500mg per day.

Everyone is speaking from their unique perspective.  There are commonalities, but things are different based on many factors. The withdrawal experience of a 30 something male with testosterone protecting his thyroid is not the same as a woman who has fluctuations of estrogen and progesterone with her cycle which greatly affect the thyroid. An older person's liver doesn't have the same clearance rate for metabolites as the young guy. Your journey may be easier than someone else's, and it's not due to their lack of willpower, laziness, etc. but physiology.  Although attitude, support structure, etc. can greatly affect your view, you cannot overcome your body's abilities like the amount of thyroid you make. Help it to heal.

This is a place to seek help. Be kind and supportive.
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