Author Topic: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?  (Read 660 times)

[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2019, 05:52:56 pm »
I didn't find even one window until my dose was down below half of my original dose of 10mg valium. I guess I was lucky to have been on valium rather than one of the other benzos - look at the equivalency tables and check out the Ashton manual and valium is easier because of it's long half life and it is so much weaker than the other benzos so cutting is more accurate. Cut over to valium if at all possible.
It's still hell. I find I reach a point after a cut (generally 11-14 days) where I feel this is as good as it's going to get and cut again. I live on faith that I can do this. It's never easy but I can't see any point in drawing this out.
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2019, 06:21:16 pm »
I feel like I'm getting worse the longer I hold, too. But admittedly, I keep trying different "schemes" to try to feel better, all of which I think just set me back. I just tried a C/O to Diazepam and it was making me too sick, so I'm back to straight Clonazepam. I think I'm now feeling the effects of having the D completely out of my system... and it feels awful.

My plan is to hold here until Dec to see if I can level out at all. If I don't feel any better (or just get even worse which would be par for the course), I'm dropping and I'm dropping fast. Every time I've started on a Benzo, it makes me feel great for a week or two, then I get way more anxious, depressed and sick. I either went into tolerance crazy fast, or have adverse reactions. I just need to be off this crap. I think I feel worse now than I did after my very rapid taper back in Feb.

I should have never reinstated. This taper has been pointless and I'm pretty sure it has just prolonged my suffering. Had I just stayed off, I'd be healing. Right now, I don't think any healing is happening, in fact just the opposite. It feels like every molecule of this shit that I put into my body just does more and more damage. 
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2019, 07:36:45 pm »
My starting point was tolerance to valium at prescribed dosage. I tried micro tapering and that didn't work for me so I went back to cut and hold. I decided to stop benzos since they weren't helping me - anxiety and insomnia seemed to be caused by the drug rather than being relieved so continuing cutting until I'm off can only be better.
This happened with every SSRI and other drug I have ever been prescribed. Didn't become suicidal until I was on SSRIs. Depression usually resolves within a year. SSRIs made it last for years. Quitting SSRIs was a multi year, lonely project. Zero support from doc, constant pressure to updose when it was the drug that was the problem.
The 4 day window that I experienced at 4.75mg valium was the best I have felt in years - but it didn't last. I look forward to my next window whenever that may occur. I do know that holding too long just prolongs the agony.

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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2019, 09:20:14 pm »
O my goodness [...]..... you have had such a wicked ride, back and forth on this drug...
It looks like some of it you, had no choice. 
I am learning each and every day from everybody, and I appreciate your question too.
It does seem to me that you were tapered too fast more than once.  That said,  the question looms for me too.  I am holding at 4 mgs and just hit a new horrible today... its like I am struggling for breath and weak etc etc.
I am wondering how long I can endure stretching it out?
I know some swear by very gentle long slow tapers but unless I am at the emergency room door, I am plan to cut by 1/2 mg each month.  We'll see.  Courage my dear.
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2019, 09:55:23 am »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




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Hi [...]
When did you updose, did the long hold help you. I Donít know what to do. My anxiety and depression is terrible. Iím crying all the day now.
Nothing helped, one up dose to 10mg did for a few weeks then instant crash  back to even worse hell further up-dose did nothing I'm in agony 24/7 constant brain and body burning and inhumane pain and going back down is hell too :'( :'( :'( I'm going to have to hold for a while no way can I risk another cut yet since my last cut over a month ago.   
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2019, 11:25:31 am »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Thanks
Whatís your plan now? I donít really have any idea.
Hi [...]
When did you updose, did the long hold help you. I Donít know what to do. My anxiety and depression is terrible. Iím crying all the day now.
Nothing helped, one up dose to 10mg did for a few weeks then instant crash  back to even worse hell further up-dose did nothing I'm in agony 24/7 constant brain and body burning and inhumane pain and going back down is hell too :'( :'( :'( I'm going to have to hold for a while no way can I risk another cut yet since my last cut over a month ago.   
[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hi [...]
When did you updose, did the long hold help you. I Donít know what to do. My anxiety and depression is terrible. Iím crying all the day now.
Nothing helped, one up dose to 10mg did for a few weeks then instant crash  back to even worse hell further up-dose did nothing I'm in agony 24/7 constant brain and body burning and inhumane pain and going back down is hell too :'( :'( :'( I'm going to have to hold for a while no way can I risk another cut yet since my last cut over a month ago.   
[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2019, 08:44:54 am »
Hello,
What were your symptoms like in tolerance withdrawal. I thought I was experiencing discontinuation effects from Mirtazapine, but I think I have tolerance. Have been on Klonopin at varying dosages but .5 for a few years.  Scared to death to start a taper. Also taking Ambien for past 4 months.  Do I taper both at same time??  Thank you for any suggestions.

I wasn't sure if this was for the op or me.  Sorry.   ;)
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2019, 05:16:34 pm »
How are you doing now [...]?  What dose are you at now?
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