Author Topic: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?  (Read 712 times)

[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2019, 10:02:47 am »
How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better as opposed to holding for x amount of time waiting for symptoms to calm down then cut? No matter what I do hold wise its not helping at all and I've done quite a few long holds , I would say over the last 4 year's over half of that involved holding my dose for long periods.

I truly feel now after long holds, up-dosing, prescription liquid Diazepam didn't agree with me at all , home made solution with vodka in the past, trying smaller than usual cuts which felt just as bad as my normal cuts anyway, that my only option is to get off this drug. 

I was in tolerance withdrawal at my prescribed dose when I began tapering I have never stabilised except once 5 year's ago then I held for about 2 year's or a bit longer before I got more stable  due to another medical  problem, but  I am in no position this time around  to be able to do that again for  another two years straight .


[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hello [...]!
I feel the same. I started my taper in tolerance withdrawl or something like this. I accidentally made a fast withdrawal and updosed, but couldnít stabilize. I have windows and waves all the time, but when I cutting there are some better days, but when the withdrawal symptoms are coming together with the tolerance simptomps itís terrible. What do you think? Wich is the best method to go down. Iíve just made two cuts and Iím hopeless. I need advice how to do it? I want to survive.
EnikŰ

Just throwing my two cents in. I looked at your signature and you are tapering very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised that you have severe withdrawal symptoms. I have been doing a mini-taper for almost two years.  Started from 0.5 mg Clonazapam and am 3/4 done.  I'm having symptoms going that slowly.  Have you tried asking Builder or someone who has finished their tapers about the rate you are going?  Just curious.   :smitten:
Hi RR :hug: My new  NHS GP forced me to taper at his rate of 1mg per 4 weeks where as my old Drs were happy to let me go along at my own pace , that's what your probably looking at and it was much too fast as I was already bedridden in agony with symptoms at the time and also ten months into a long hold.

 I was also in unbeknown tolerance withdrawal for many years before I began tapering, Ive now slowed my taper down again I cut .5mg  Sunday as that's the way I did it for year's hold as needed then cut again, but looking at my journal its possible I'm holding too long at times I'm not sure yet  :-\. I tried .25 made no difference I may as well have cut 1mg the way I felt and doing the Vodka water DMT  in 2015 took me 17 months to cut 1/8th of a mg????

I've up-dosed a few times to no avail, and noticed certain things that are known side effects of Diazepam happening on top so I have withdrawal symptoms on top of long term  tolerance withdrawal and side effect symptoms I can now recognise after there being more information than ever on the patient leaflets in the pill box and on the web than there was for many years. There was FA info on those leaflets before except what they were for or take as prescribed by your Dr, nothing about side effects or withdrawal hell, its a bloody disclaimer now not a patient  information leaflet >:(

Also with the cog fog I've missed doses taken accidental up-doses even more so the last month or two all of which don't help,  just messes up the CNS even more  ::) So I have to keep changing and  devising different way's to keep on top of my dosing as I eventually get confused so have to then plan yet another way to do it even simple  weekly dose set out pill boxes became a freak out for me in the end .


[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2019, 10:17:13 am »
How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better as opposed to holding for x amount of time waiting for symptoms to calm down then cut? No matter what I do hold wise its not helping at all and I've done quite a few long holds , I would say over the last 4 year's over half of that involved holding my dose for long periods.

I truly feel now after long holds, up-dosing, prescription liquid Diazepam didn't agree with me at all , home made solution with vodka in the past, trying smaller than usual cuts which felt just as bad as my normal cuts anyway, that my only option is to get off this drug. 

I was in tolerance withdrawal at my prescribed dose when I began tapering I have never stabilised except once 5 year's ago then I held for about 2 year's or a bit longer before I got more stable  due to another medical  problem, but  I am in no position this time around  to be able to do that again for  another two years straight .


[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hello [...]!
I feel the same. I started my taper in tolerance withdrawl or something like this. I accidentally made a fast withdrawal and updosed, but couldnít stabilize. I have windows and waves all the time, but when I cutting there are some better days, but when the withdrawal symptoms are coming together with the tolerance simptomps itís terrible. What do you think? Wich is the best method to go down. Iíve just made two cuts and Iím hopeless. I need advice how to do it? I want to survive.
EnikŰ

Just throwing my two cents in. I looked at your signature and you are tapering very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised that you have severe withdrawal symptoms. I have been doing a mini-taper for almost two years.  Started from 0.5 mg Clonazapam and am 3/4 done.  I'm having symptoms going that slowly.  Have you tried asking Builder or someone who has finished their tapers about the rate you are going?  Just curious.   :smitten:
Hi RR :hug: My new  NHS GP forced me to taper at his rate of 1mg per 4 weeks where as my old Drs were happy to let me go along at my own pace , that's what your probably looking at and it was much too fast as I was already bedridden in agony with symptoms at the time and also ten months into a long hold.

 I was also in unbeknown tolerance withdrawal for many years before I began tapering, Ive now slowed my taper down again I cut .5mg  Sunday as that's the way I did it for year's hold as needed then cut again, but looking at my journal its possible I'm holding too long at times I'm not sure yet  :-\. I tried .25 made no difference I may as well have cut 1mg the way I felt and doing the Vodka water DMT  in 2015 took me 17 months to cut 1/8th of a mg????

I've up-dosed a few times to no avail, and noticed certain things that are known side effects of Diazepam happening on top so I have withdrawal symptoms on top of long term  tolerance withdrawal and side effect symptoms I can now recognise after there being more information than ever on the patient leaflets in the pill box and on the web than there was for many years. There was FA info on those leaflets before except what they were for or take as prescribed by your Dr, nothing about side effects or withdrawal hell, its a bloody disclaimer now not a patient  information leaflet >:(

Also with the cog fog I've missed doses taken accidental up-doses even more so the last month or two all of which don't help,  just messes up the CNS even more  ::) So I have to keep changing and  devising different way's to keep on top of my dosing as I eventually get confused so have to then plan yet another way to do it even simple  weekly dose set out pill boxes became a freak out for me in the end .


[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Iíve made two cuts one was 0,005 mg, the other was 0,075 mg. These are not in my signiture yet.
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 10:49:37 am »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2019, 11:35:42 am »
How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better as opposed to holding for x amount of time waiting for symptoms to calm down then cut? No matter what I do hold wise its not helping at all and I've done quite a few long holds , I would say over the last 4 year's over half of that involved holding my dose for long periods.

I truly feel now after long holds, up-dosing, prescription liquid Diazepam didn't agree with me at all , home made solution with vodka in the past, trying smaller than usual cuts which felt just as bad as my normal cuts anyway, that my only option is to get off this drug. 

I was in tolerance withdrawal at my prescribed dose when I began tapering I have never stabilised except once 5 year's ago then I held for about 2 year's or a bit longer before I got more stable  due to another medical  problem, but  I am in no position this time around  to be able to do that again for  another two years straight .


[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hello [...]!
I feel the same. I started my taper in tolerance withdrawl or something like this. I accidentally made a fast withdrawal and updosed, but couldnít stabilize. I have windows and waves all the time, but when I cutting there are some better days, but when the withdrawal symptoms are coming together with the tolerance simptomps itís terrible. What do you think? Wich is the best method to go down. Iíve just made two cuts and Iím hopeless. I need advice how to do it? I want to survive.
EnikŰ

Just throwing my two cents in. I looked at your signature and you are tapering very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised that you have severe withdrawal symptoms. I have been doing a mini-taper for almost two years.  Started from 0.5 mg Clonazapam and am 3/4 done.  I'm having symptoms going that slowly.  Have you tried asking Builder or someone who has finished their tapers about the rate you are going?  Just curious.   :smitten:
Hi RR :hug: My new  NHS GP forced me to taper at his rate of 1mg per 4 weeks where as my old Drs were happy to let me go along at my own pace , that's what your probably looking at and it was much too fast as I was already bedridden in agony with symptoms at the time and also ten months into a long hold.

 I was also in unbeknown tolerance withdrawal for many years before I began tapering, Ive now slowed my taper down again I cut .5mg  Sunday as that's the way I did it for year's hold as needed then cut again, but looking at my journal its possible I'm holding too long at times I'm not sure yet  :-\. I tried .25 made no difference I may as well have cut 1mg the way I felt and doing the Vodka water DMT  in 2015 took me 17 months to cut 1/8th of a mg????

I've up-dosed a few times to no avail, and noticed certain things that are known side effects of Diazepam happening on top so I have withdrawal symptoms on top of long term  tolerance withdrawal and side effect symptoms I can now recognise after there being more information than ever on the patient leaflets in the pill box and on the web than there was for many years. There was FA info on those leaflets before except what they were for or take as prescribed by your Dr, nothing about side effects or withdrawal hell, its a bloody disclaimer now not a patient  information leaflet >:(

Also with the cog fog I've missed doses taken accidental up-doses even more so the last month or two all of which don't help,  just messes up the CNS even more  ::) So I have to keep changing and  devising different way's to keep on top of my dosing as I eventually get confused so have to then plan yet another way to do it even simple  weekly dose set out pill boxes became a freak out for me in the end .


[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

I truly wish you the very best.  It's just awful that we all have to suffer like this.  Just ridiculous that these Dr's don't know about tolerance and withdrawals, etc.  I'm beyond pissed at the Dr.'s that allowed me to take this for 15 years!! I'm hoping I can get through this but it's the hardest thing I've ever done. 😢
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2019, 01:27:36 pm »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hi [...]
Dry cutting! I want to try dry microtaper first, than the Dlmt, but I feel terrible withdrawal symptoms continuesly,  because I couldnít stabilize after reinstatement and may be because of kindling. I donít know what to do. Iím thinking about crossover to Valium to stabilize. What I feel now is terrrible.
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2019, 12:27:13 pm »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hi [...]
Dry cutting! I want to try dry microtaper first, than the Dlmt, but I feel terrible withdrawal symptoms continuesly,  because I couldnít stabilize after reinstatement and may be because of kindling. I donít know what to do. Iím thinking about crossover to Valium to stabilize. What I feel now is terrrible.

 :(  I wish you the very best.  I asked my Dr. for Valium and she said no... no and no. I don't get it. It's a proven way to crosstaper and she won't listen.  I even gave her the Ashton Manual.  😢
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2019, 01:22:07 pm »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hi [...]
Dry cutting! I want to try dry microtaper first, than the Dlmt, but I feel terrible withdrawal symptoms continuesly,  because I couldnít stabilize after reinstatement and may be because of kindling. I donít know what to do. Iím thinking about crossover to Valium to stabilize. What I feel now is terrrible.

 :(  I wish you the very best.  I asked my Dr. for Valium and she said no... no and no. I don't get it. It's a proven way to crosstaper and she won't listen.  I even gave her the Ashton Manual.  😢

Many people make a crossover to Valium and it works for them. What did your doctor said? Whatís the reason not to switch? Than what can I do?
Thank you
EnikŲ
(You are on Valium, arenít you?)
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2019, 07:45:34 am »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hi [...]
Dry cutting! I want to try dry microtaper first, than the Dlmt, but I feel terrible withdrawal symptoms continuesly,  because I couldnít stabilize after reinstatement and may be because of kindling. I donít know what to do. Iím thinking about crossover to Valium to stabilize. What I feel now is terrrible.

 :(  I wish you the very best.  I asked my Dr. for Valium and she said no... no and no. I don't get it. It's a proven way to crosstaper and she won't listen.  I even gave her the Ashton Manual.  😢

Many people make a crossover to Valium and it works for them. What did your doctor said? Whatís the reason not to switch? Than what can I do?
Thank you
EnikŲ
(You are on Valium, arenít you?)

She said... I'm not giving you two Benzos. I am going to try again next week when I go for my appt.  I'm going to take a copy of the Ashton manual and give it to her highlighted.  Thing is... I don't know how much to take because my dose is so small that the Valium equivalent amount is not listed in the Ashton manual.  She doesn't do cross-over tapers or tapers at all. She wanted me to just stop the Clonazepam.  I truly wish she was more flexible. I've changed Doctors three times and it doesn't look good on me to keep changing but I need some help for when I go back to work because I cannot function on most days.  I feel like I have been hit by a train.    :(
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2019, 12:03:25 am »
Hello,
What were your symptoms like in tolerance withdrawal. I thought I was experiencing discontinuation effects from Mirtazapine, but I think I have tolerance. Have been on Klonopin at varying dosages but .5 for a few years.  Scared to death to start a taper. Also taking Ambien for past 4 months.  Do I taper both at same time??  Thank you for any suggestions.
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[Buddie]

Re: How many of you cut while having symptoms and felt better?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2019, 05:03:38 pm »
Hi Roza  :hug: are you dry cutting or liquid tapering?




[...] xxx  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

Hi [...]
When did you updose, did the long hold help you. I Donít know what to do. My anxiety and depression is terrible. Iím crying all the day now.
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