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[Buddie]

potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« on: May 17, 2019, 01:45:50 pm »
Overall, since doing keto about 5-6 months ago it has helped me mentally and with tapering. I ate healthy foods but way too many nuts and nut/seed butters and meats. I started getting worrisome pain in my upper-left abdominal area, along with back pain in the left-middle region about a week ago. I've been pretty obsessed with pancreatic cancer for awhile now and always feared the worst case scenario so it makes sense that this pain can be contributed to severe anxiety and emotional stress. The pain started in the back the day after putting my dog asleep too. She was 12-13 yrs old and was suffering, so it needed to be done. I'm devastated but relieved she can finally rest. Not sure how much of this back pain is related to all that but it really seems like something is wrong with my pancreas. I've been having this vague discomfort in the upper left stomach for awhile now, probably a little over a year to varying degrees here and there after eating. I went to the ER recently trying to get an ultrasound but my blood lipase levels were normal and they sent me on my way. All other blood work was normal besides a slightly elevated anion gap and traces of ketones in my urine. I have no other symptoms besides abdominal discomfort and now this persistent mid-left back pain that gets worse after eating, especially fatty foods. The pain gets worse after lying down. Also, I can't get anyone to think this is anything but anxiety either. I have to wait until mid August to see the GI specialist. My stress has been ridiculously elevated lately too from multiple issues I'm facing that is forcing me to taper as fast as I possibly can. I should be off gabapentin in about a week or sooner and phenibut by July or August. Basically, this odontogenic cyst I have provoked this rapid tapering and also I realized that I was going way too slow before. Coming off gabapentin is a mind fuck but nothing really too serious as long as you pace the drops every 2-3 days. I used to think it was really difficult after reading other peoples negative experiences but it really isn't in comparison to benzos, at least for myself. I did reinstate memantine though which seems to help me taper.

As far as keto, I was eating large amounts of macadamia nuts every day, like 8, 1/4 cup servings quite often. Lots of coconut butter and cocoa. Recently tahini with low carb crackers made out of seeds. I did have flax seed crackers. Also lots of meat. Recently, I started eating dairy too because I was making these cauliflower crust pizzas. The diet became unbalanced for me and I just started eating foods  that felt good eating and not enough vegetable probably.

I'm still going to try to eat as low carb as possible but I'm going to eat a small sweet potato every day and just try to keep fat and meat as low as possible. This is really tough for me. I really do think I might have pancreatic cancer now even though I probably don't. My doctor thinks I may have inflamed my pancreas with the keto diet. I think it is entirely possible because of all the nuts and meats I ate. Once I added some dairy things might of gotten worse.
Also, I had some extreme distress recently and ended up smoking some cigarettes. The upper abdominal pain started a few days after that, then a day or two later the back pain started. I was also doing pancreatic cancer research the entire time before and after these vague symptoms. All I can do is move forward I guess.
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[Buddie]

Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 02:36:15 pm »
I tried Keto for 5 days and got fat in my stool that has still not resolved months later.
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[Buddie]

Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 09:25:21 pm »
Keto stool is unpleasant. All that fat just makes poop smell and float. Mine was always light to medium brown recently and never really dark brown which worried me a bit. It was never pale or grey though which is a sign that something is wrong with the pancreas.

Yeah I can't do keto anymore. I'm tapped out at 5.5 months.
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Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2019, 07:28:00 am »
Not sure how many carbs I ate yesterday but it was well above 50g. I ate a small yam again, several raspberries and this grain free cereal that has some dried fruit in it, and also other things with carbs in it. Used my last keto mojo test trip and I registered at 1.2mmol/L. So, I'm eating carbs and still have β-hydroxybutyrate levels that are in the keto range. I don't really understand why. If I was fat adapted I would expect it to be lower as well because your body burns off more ketones which should keep BHB levels at around 0.5mmol/L. Maybe I am, I don't know. My fasting blood glucose was 88mg/dL. Seems good I guess. Maybe I can eat more carbs and still be in ketosis. I seem to be addicted to fat as well. I just couldn't help buy the 1.5lb bag of macadamia nuts at Costco yesterday. I'm going to try only eating 10 at a time from now on and go easy on the tahini. No more gluten free Norwegian crisp bread at Trader Joe's either which has rapeseed oil in it which is basically canola oil. I was smothering tahini all over those and chasing it down with 5 servings of macadamia nuts. It seems no matter what diet I eat I'll always have issues with food. I'm not overweight though. I want to do an extended water fast with some supplements soon but not sure how a person who isn't overweight responds to not eating for long periods of time. For the water fast I have magnesium citrate, potassium citrate and calcium citrate from bulk supplements which I'm going to use for electrolytes as well as apple cider vinegar and Redmond Real salt.

There is small amounts of corn starch in my meds along with other inactive ingredients so I'm not sure how it will affect fasting which is why I want to wait until I'm off everything along with other reasons. I just always feared that doing an extended fast on medication is a bad idea for whatever reason. Does anyone think fasting is a bad idea while still on meds? If I have cancer I'm hoping fasting will slow it from spreading until I can figure out how to treat it. I don't see the GI doctor until mid August so incase something is wrong with me I don't want to feed the cancer which is what I may have been doing the entire time eating all this meat. I can't believe this is all anxiety? People who know me keep telling me that but I don't know what to think. This back pain I have just keeps telling me I have cancer. It just feels like I do. I'm scared.

Pancreatic cancer risks I can think of:

Second degree relative had pancreatic cancer
First degree relative (mom, lung cancer; dad, bladder cancer)
Smoker on and off for 18-19 years
Some alcohol
Drug use: (gabapentin, phenibut, baclofen, buprenorphine, memantine, clonazepam, chlordiazepoxide, kratom;  [BPC-157], various supplements)
Prediabetes
2 abdominal CT scans
severe stress and anxiety

Symptoms:
Upper-left abdominal, mid-left back that gets worse after eating/lying down

Notes: I first noticed occasional upper left abdominal pain some time in ~2018 that felt like it could be related to the pancreas. I read that high dosages of gabapentin was associated with pancreatic cancer in male Wistar rats but not an issue for humans according to the publication, but this combined with my use of BPC-157, a promoter of angiogenesis via VEGF pathway more or less planted the seed of fear because of all the other factors involving risks.

It seems it takes many years for pancreatic cancer to actually go from a precancerous cell to cancer (over 10 years normally) but severe stress accelerates it according to the study below.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4102665/
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Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2019, 11:18:41 am »
So, I want to preface this by saying I went to the ER again yesterday because of my mid back and upper abdominal pain. Ended up getting bloodwork, an ultrasound of my pancreas, gallbladder and liver, and a chest x ray. Everything came out normal. It seems that the back pain gets worse when I do deep breathing, it is in between my shoulder blades. The pain in my back goes to two places: in between the shoulder blades, in the mid-upper region, and also in the mid-left. Every time I go to sleep now the pain will go to the mid-left and the upper-middle region feels alright.....but after waking up the pain will go to the upper-middle region between the shoulder blades after taking some deep breaths now, and it just feels stuck there. Taking more additional deep breaths doesn't seem to change the intensity of the pain in the area. It seems breathing causes pain between the shoulder blades though. I noticed it after trying to run to a little bit.
Some other blood work from my PCP and my fasting triglycerides were 75mg/dL, cholesterol was a little high at 210 or 215, can't remember. Everybody keeps telling me that my numbers are pretty much perfect. So, the ketogenic diet is not affecting my blood work negatively except the high cholesterol which is easy to fix.

So now I think it could be pancreatic or lung cancer because of this and the tumors were too small for those tests to pick them up. The only thing that can convince me is an MRI or CT scan now which isn't so easy to get. Just seems like a red flag to have mid back pain at rest. This pain has been constant for nearly 2 weeks. I don't recall straining myself too and the pain just feels like I have cancer or something is wrong. Could be some type of GI issue too because I've had ulcers in the past. It's always something. I just wanted to finish my taper and this happens to slow me down. The emotions are a mix of intense fear, anger, confusion and sadness. It's really hard to taper when you feel like the only thing you have to look forward to is dying from cancer sooner than later.
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[Buddie]

Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2019, 07:03:58 pm »
Hi [...]! What exactly are the potential problems with the ketogenic diet?

Also - I have had a pain in the upper left side of my abdomen for months and months as well. I have been off keto for awhile and it persists...  Thereís a lot going on in our solar plexus. Thereís a ton of nerves that have most definitely been damaged by our drug use. I donít belive that we have pancreatic or lung cancer.

But thatís just me.
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Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2019, 10:16:42 am »
Hey. I'm not sure if my problems are related to the ketogenic diet but the potential problems are just doing it wrong by eating too much meat and nuts. I can end up eating a pound of macadamia nuts and still stay in ketosis some how but that's another story. Just because your blood ketones are high doesn't mean your body is using them efficiently as fuel though. I'd like to see lower blood ketone levels because it tells me my body favors them as a fuel source. I ate probably 75-100g of carbs yesterday and my blood ketones are 1.1mmol/L. Most days I'm eating a lot of fat still. According to the ultrasound and bloodwork my pancreas is digesting fats though.

I may just have a really bad stomach ulcer. It could have even breached the posterior region and is causing back pain. Today I laid in bed this morning with this diabolical gnawing sensation that feels better when I put something in my stomach. I've had stomach ulcers before when my mom was getting chemo. My dad has bladder cancer and I started getting the stomach pains a few days before he had surgery. Also, the back pain started the day after we put my dog asleep which has devastated me. I need to get another puppy now or I think my depression will just consume me. My dad also just needs another dog because he doesn't care about himself. He rarely bathes. He hasn't cut his hair since my mom passed nearly 5 years ago. He needs something to take care of in order to exist and I can see him spiraling since the dog has been gone and it really isn't helping all this.

My maternal grandmother had pancreatic cancer and my mom had lung cancer which is why I'm so obsessed about those diseases. My back pain between the shoulder blades seems related to breathing. I can't seem to breath right from tapering gabapentin. It's like my breaths are shallow. All the hyperventilating and shallow breaths while exercising may have made my back muscles soar? Because when I walk I get anxious and don't breath well. This morning my stomach pain is really bad which makes me think this is probably an ulcer just because of the gnawing sensation. I've been struggling so much trying to get off the rest of the gabapentin that I can't  heal it. I'm just not thinking it's an ulcer most of the time because I'm just so focused on cancer. I drink coffee, eat dark chocolate...I'm drinking apple cider vinegar....always taking stuff on an empty stomach....it' going to be hard to heal this. I want to start drinking cabbage juice but it is loaded with glutamine. It turns out glutamine and glucose are the main fuel sources for cancer cells. I'm trying to keep those down to a minimum but I need some relief.

Now that I'm almost done with gabapentin coming off the rest of that phenibut is going to be horrendous if I can't improve my current situation.
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[Buddie]

Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2019, 04:56:40 pm »
If you are sure your bloods were fine and your doc said wait til August I think cancer is unlikely, but itís your docs call.
If you have chronic gastritis pain then get yourself on a regular antacid surely?
[...] you are better by now anyways
Dick
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Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2019, 07:22:45 am »
Hey, not sure what this is. I've been drinking red cabbage juice for about 4 days but I'm not sure how it is affecting the symptoms which are mostly upper abdominal pain and some mid back pain in two locations. I managed to get an earlier appointment (June 4th) for the GI by persistently calling. Thing with pancreatic cancer, it doesn't show up in blood work depending on the location of the tumor and how advanced it is. I did get an abdominal ultrasound but it misses smaller tumors and I did it at an ER which may of not looked close enough. Every night a lay in bed now contemplating life with pancreatic cancer thinking my days are numbered wondering how I should approach things. I have all sorts of ideas but they are not the best. Everybody says cancer is unlikely though. [...] everybody is right.
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Re: potential problems w/ high fat/keto diet
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2019, 07:31:56 am »
Letís trust it just referred pain from gastritis or a duodenal ulcer.
Best wishes for the 4 June
Dick
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