[Pe...] Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Wondering if someone could give me a laypersons understanding of attenuated ending, and thank you! -PH🌷 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ji...] Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  Have a look here http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=202618.0 If not clear, please come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 Good morning Jim, Thank you for that, I do understand. My chart however is all messed up. I'd made an error in my new chart when moving half the afternoon dose back to the evening and holding at that point. I did not account for the reductions I'd already taken to that point which were minimal anyway. I split the difference and made a new chart and continued. So, I held at what I believed was .9464 total benzo. Original starting numbers were: .121 powder (full dose) and .999 total benzo. 10 = 1.215  This is where I am.  .1163 =  .013 powder .8188 =   .099 powder --------------------------- .9358 and .112 powder  So I am all goofed up here.  The benzo equivalents are my estimates on the high end of the range. My symptoms are completely manageable at this point.  I'd like you to make me a chart this time.  When I make a new one, the powder numbers come out higher than I've been taking. If you can at least help me figure out where I am that would be terrific!  Thanks again -PH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ji...] Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope , I have tried. Read 4 times your text and finally came out defeated . I just have no idea where to start from. Hope you don't mind me asking a few questions? Are you doing a direct taper? What is the average weight of a tablet? What is the tablet size? What is the day dose? What is the night dose? With what reduction are you tapering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope , I have tried. Read 4 times your text and finally came out defeated . I just have no idea where to start from. Hope you don't mind me asking a few questions? Are you doing a direct taper? What is the average weight of a tablet? What is the tablet size? What is the day dose? What is the night dose? With what reduction are you tapering?  Hi Jim, no problem!  Looks like I added incorrectly in my last post. Direct taper, across doses, 5% over 14 days 1mg lorazepam tabs, average weight of ten = 1.215 As of today my (powder) doses are: Day = .013 Bed = .099  Sometimes I can't get the program to let me change values from reduction percent to reduction quantity, although right now I can't recall what the difference means.  I'd like to make sure I taper with an attenuated ending. Thank you  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ji...] Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  Could you please try this?  Sometimes I can't get the program to let me change values from reduction percent to reduction quantity, although right now I can't recall what the difference means. The application has been designed so the 2 fields Percent and Quantity are mutually exclusive. Clear one field will reset the other and enter value in one field will disable the other. They reflect 2 different philosophies of taper: Fixed percent per period of days (%/days) (When you enter data in the percent field) A fixed percent calculated on the last dose will be reduced from the daily dose throughout the taper duration. As the daily dose decreases, so does the reduction quantity. That implies a very low reduction evolution, a longer taper duration but it will likely raise less symptoms. This method is "gentler" from a symptoms viewpoint. The resulting graph is a curve. Fixed quantity per period of days (mg/days) (When you enter data in the quantity field) A same and unchanged quantity calculated as a percent from the initial dose will be reduced from the daily dose throughout the taper duration. The fixed reduction quantity method, also known as symptoms-based taper method, is easy to understand and to apply. It can eventually offer a shorter taper duration compared to the fixed reduction percent. It's more prone to symptoms. The resulting graph is a straight line. I'd like to make sure I taper with an attenuated ending. Let me first congratulate you to be such close to the cross line. For what I can see, in less than 4 months you will be off . For such a small dose like yours, the "Attenuated Ending" option will be of no use as the supposed quit dose (0.050 mg) intervenes BEFORE the point of adjustment at 1/3 dose (0.037 mg).     Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  Could you please try this?  Sometimes I can't get the program to let me change values from reduction percent to reduction quantity, although right now I can't recall what the difference means. The application has been designed so the 2 fields Percent and Quantity are mutually exclusive. Clear one field will reset the other and enter value in one field will disable the other. They reflect 2 different philosophies of taper: Fixed percent per period of days (%/days) (When you enter data in the percent field) A fixed percent calculated on the last dose will be reduced from the daily dose throughout the taper duration. As the daily dose decreases, so does the reduction quantity. That implies a very low reduction evolution, a longer taper duration but it will likely raise less symptoms. This method is "gentler" from a symptoms viewpoint. The resulting graph is a curve. Fixed quantity per period of days (mg/days) (When you enter data in the quantity field) A same and unchanged quantity calculated as a percent from the initial dose will be reduced from the daily dose throughout the taper duration. The fixed reduction quantity method, also known as symptoms-based taper method, is easy to understand and to apply. It can eventually offer a shorter taper duration compared to the fixed reduction percent. It's more prone to symptoms. The resulting graph is a straight line. I'd like to make sure I taper with an attenuated ending. Let me first congratulate you to be such close to the cross line. For what I can see, in less than 4 months you will be off . For such a small dose like yours, the "Attenuated Ending" option will be of no use as the supposed quit dose (0.050 mg) intervenes BEFORE the point of adjustment at 1/3 dose (0.037 mg).  Jim I think this can't be right ?  are my decimals in the wrong place? should they be .13 and and .99? I literally just started a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ji...] Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  What was the initial daily dose BEFORE you started to taper one month ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  What was the initial daily dose BEFORE you started to taper one month ago?  It was 1 mg  I weigh .012 and .99 - sorry Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ji...] Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  Try this:  Generate the report and go to one month later. See what is the TODAY doses and resume from there.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  Try this:  Generate the report and go to one month later. See what is the TODAY doses and resume from there.   Thank you Jim - where I goofed my chart was in transferring half the afternoon dose back to the nighttime. (which I did do and continued reducing) I don't know how to put in the current numbers to get a corrected chart. Will try this though, and thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ji...] Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Hi PeacefulHope  I took day 28. Cut 1/2 from dose 1 (0.15 / 2) = 0.075 mg and transferred it to dose 2 (0.075 + 0.75) = 0.825 mg. Try this.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pe...] Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Thanks Jim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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