Xanax to Librium

I know we have already had a lot of talk about Librium here recently but things have been pretty tough and I am pretty sure I am ready to crossover, to Librium to that is I have seen Outis, I believe quoting Ashston, on a Xanax to Valium crossover where you take just two days of  heavily tapered Xanax doses with your first doses of Valium. Not sure if this advice would stand for Librium as well. Others suggest a careful process of shifting over which I assume would take more time. I know there are still others who keep some Xanax alongside all the way down with Valium and I assume this would be possible with Librium as well. My gut instinct is to try to get off Xanax within the the first month if not sooner Of course the process will have t be guided by my own interpretations, but just wondering if anyone has any additional ideas

i crossed in kind of a weird way since I tried Valium first but going through the process recently I can share what  I learned and what I would have done different. It really is like tapering in a way you have to get going and see how you feel or react and then adjust your cross accordingly. Crossing to Librium has been the best thing for me. I sleep so well and take naps and have lots of klonopin tolerance symptoms leave me  but still have 3-4 lingering issues.

 

I started with a Valium crossover per Ashton with half the night dose for a week then the next week all Valium for night dose. After three days on Valium 4mg For night time dose I was not reacting well to it. I did a test of half L at night time dose for five days and did well on it. I decided to immediately go to half L for all three doses at one time right after that.That was the easiest cross for me and I did it for seven days. I was to scared to jump the rest of the way to all L for the other half of the three doses so I did one dose a week to all L after that. I feel like it just delayed the cross and kept my tolerance hanging in longer. I found the faster I got in the Long acting drug the better. But some do better with a slow six week or more crossover.

 

 

If I could do it over I would have down half and half for all three doses at once then waited a week or two and crossed the other half all the way. Then hold to stabilize a month or two.

 

L is very sedating in the beginning. It’s very normal and it goes away in a few days. You will have some nasty Xanax withdrawal too but as the L builds up it gets better.

HI Jen Thanks for the response , it is very helpful. So after you tried Valium and then crossed over to Librium you were including some Valium in your dosing as you crossed over to Librium or did you go back to including some Klonopin in your doses as you crossed over to Librium It sounds like it was Valium but just wanted to make sure I am getting this right

 

Kind of hate during a crossover this time of year since it is generally an extra depressing time, but on the other hand there is hope of feeling better on the other side

 

Thanks again and best of luck the rest of the way for you

I had moved to all valium for my night dose and was still taking K morning and afternoon dose. Trial of L was night dose half l + half v for about five days. Then did my morning and afternoon dose at the same time half L+ half K for 7 days. Half way through that week I switched my night dose to all L. Then did a weekly peice over for each dose of K left. Dropped all the k on the morning dose for 7 days and did all Librium.  Then  7 days later  for the afternoon dose. I have been off K for a week now. You will see you can set a crossover plan but once you notice how you react you make adjustments. I saw a definite pattern were when I add in L and took away K I was pretty sedated for the first few days and the K withdrawal kicked in hard 7 days in. So that is when I made the next switch. So make notes and see what works for you. It could be better because xanex drops out so fast. You will have Librium to cover xanex withdrawal but after the initial few days of getting used to more L with each switch the sedation goes away and you really feel the withdrawal. You may cross every third day or so for this reason. It really takes a good month to get high blood levels of Lubriun. That is once you are completely crossed over. Feel free to check in with me. The only way I got through it was having a friend who  had crossed previous telling me everything you are feeling is normal and will subside.

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation I feel really blessed to have  heard your story in such detail and some of the the others who have done on well on Librium as well.  I know it may go poorly, or be a struggle, but it really appears to be a better choice than Valium at this point imo.

Hi,

 

I have a quick question; how sure is everyone about the conversion from Xanax to Librium, in other words

1mg of Xanax is equal to 50mg of Librium?

 

Just double checking.

 

Thank You

T

 

I just went by the Ashton conversion and had to go up

By 5mg. I think the conversion varies for everyone. I converted.5mg K to 30 mg L Ashton says 25mg. But I had been tolerant to k for a year and a half.

I just went by the Ashton conversion and had to go up

By 5mg. I think the conversion varies for everyone. I converted.5mg K to 30 mg L Ashton says 25mg. But I had been tolerant to k for a year and a half.

 

How are you feeling since you crossed to Librium ?

 

 

I feel so much better but I am not tapering yet? How are you doing with the taper? Looks like you are coming down fast. My doc wanted me to do 5mg a month and I don’t think that is a good rate for me.

I feel so much better but I am not tapering yet? How are you doing with the taper? Looks like you are coming down fast. My doc wanted me to do 5mg a month and I don’t think that is a good rate for me.

 

Hi,

 

I'm in there still fighting currently at 20mg of Librium / day , (4 -5mg capsules), I kept having chest pains and spikes in my

blood pressure so my Dr. ordered a heart catheterization procedure, since I already had a stress test that showed no problems

so I was in the Hospital for 2 days and had the procedure (very intense), and it showed no problems so I now know that I have no issues with

my heart , it must be all due to the Xanax, 4 months off Xanax now and I'm still having many symptoms, some days are good some

are not so good, now I'm wondering how to get below the 20mg of Librium, do I go to a compound pharmacy for a solution? I don't see how we cut entire

doses out, I'm looking for advise, what is the best way to cur Librium down by lets say 1mg / day ?

 

Thank You

T

You are going really fast on your taper

So glad to hear that everything is ok. I am trying to use a scale and powder to reduce by 1 mg a day and it is such a pain in the a$$. I open the capsule and reduce by .001g each day on the scale. How have you felt cutting 5mg at a time? Do you think dropping that fast is what caused the blood pressure and heart issues?

So glad to hear that everything is ok. I am trying to use a scale and powder to reduce by 1 mg a day and it is such a pain in the a$$. I open the capsule and reduce by .001g each day on the scale. How have you felt cutting 5mg at a time? Do you think dropping that fast is what caused the blood pressure and heart issues?

 

I'm sure that every time I taper it brings on all kinds of symptoms, I had no choice in my Taper plans, as my Dr. has cut my script to

20mg / day, I don't know how it is where you are however Benzo script writing Doctors are under attack here and being put out of business,

my original Doctor of 20 years is no longer writing Benzo scripts, the DEA is hammering down on Benzo's (a little late), the pharmacy wouldnt even

let me fill a script one day early, things have changed.

 

The answer is yes it is casuing my blood pressure to spike, however I have no heart issues, I've been prescribed blood pressure meds however

I will not take them as they all have terrible side effects on me (not advice, just my experience), for an examble Losartin put me into a deep dark

depression and the Doctor pulled me off the med, so as of right now I'm taking aspirin and librium only.

 

I will buy a scale and prepare to taper back at some point in the near future by 1mg / day, I can't imagine cutting by another 5mg a day at this point.

 

Thank You for your advice !

 

Good Health to You !

 

T

 

Sorry I had forgotten you are being forced to fast taper

Sorry I meant 1mg a month. I am looking st reducing something like .033mg a day. Maybe compounding is the way to go. I will give them a call.

Sorry I had forgotten you are being forced to fast taper

 

No problem Matt, we are all in this together, the winds have changed on Benzo's I advise everyone should get off

these meds as soon as you can possibly do it, it wont be long before you will have to go to a specialist to get a script

as in the current "pain management" situation, and it might not be very easy to get a script, just an FYI.

 

Kind Regards

T

 

Sorry I meant 1mg a month. I am looking st reducing something like .033mg a day. Maybe compounding is the way to go. I will give them a call.

 

Thanks Again I knew what you meant, I'm going to call a compound specialist today and try to find out the price and limitations.

 

Good Health !

T

Were you able to get compounding? The compounder here said they could not order the powder so she couldn’t do it.

Were you able to get compounding? The compounder here said they could not order the powder so she couldn’t do it.

 

Hi,

 

No luck on the compound for Librium, bummer, it will be more difficult cutting the dose using a scale, I was

able to cut my 6pm dose out so I'm currently down to 15mg / day, please stay in contact.

 

Thank You, Happy Thanksgiving to ALL !

T

 

Hi All,

 

Just a quick update, I had a very rough time over the past month on Librium I had to up dose 4 times to 20mg per day from 15mg daily,

severe anxiety and depression, after talking to several Doctors I'm pretty sure that it is not the Librium, its the total destruction caused by

extended use of Xanax that drug is just pure evil, and every Doctor admits that Xanax is just that, however no one would ever go on record

as saying it, I need to record these conversations.

 

 

Getting back to the substituion to Librium, its been 5.5 months off Xanax and the Librium is doing fine since yesterday I've been feeling better

and I hope that this is not just another window of clairity, I don't believe that it is, we shall see, I'm back to work after going on short term disibility

for 60 days, so another test begins and I'm still at 15mg of Librium ( 3 Five Mg capsules per day).

 

 

The Saga continues.. bummer.

 

 

Happy New Year

 

T

 

Were you able to get compounding? The compounder here said they could not order the powder so she couldn’t do it.

 

Hello Jen,

 

Just checking in with you to see how you are doing? I turned some sort of corner started feeling great on Saturday, many of my worse

symptoms have started to subside (Thank God) , I'm now cutting a capsule in half and taking a 1/2 of a capsule at noon so I'm still dosing

3 times a day (5mg morning - 2.5mg mid day - 5mg evening), just checking in, I hope that all is well.

 

Kind Regards

Terry

Congratulations Terryln. Really glad to hear you are doing well. I chose Valium instead of Librium, for what are probably dumb reasons at this point It is really early in the process, and things are going pretty well Still I am likely to switch to Librium if they will let me in about a month. I could stick with Valium if things go really well but I am still concerned with its duration of action. I hope to hear from Jen as well

Congratulations Terryln. Really glad to hear you are doing well. I chose Valium instead of Librium, for what are probably dumb reasons at this point It is really early in the process, and things are going pretty well Still I am likely to switch to Librium if they will let me in about a month. I could stick with Valium if things go really well but I am still concerned with its duration of action. I hope to hear from Jen as well

 

Hi Matt,

 

Glad to hear that you are doing well, getting off of Xanax is never easy and I hope that Valium or Librium will be a very helpful crossover for you,

I had a strange episode yesterday morning with Flashing lights in my Peripheral Vision, after being a couple hours late with my morning dose on day three

of another cut down to 12.5mg daily of Librium, to be totally honest I had cut back to 10 mg for 2 days when this happened, I was doing pretty good until yesterday morning, so I decided to increase to 12.5 mg thinking that the 5mg cut was too much, and so far so good at 12.5 I just have to be patient with my cuts I believe.

 

Great to hear from you Matt !

Kind Regards

Terry

Hey there

 

I have been tapering a little over two months now, very slowly. About 1mg a month. I have an extreme headache daily and lots of body pain and fatigue but sleep seems to be going ok. I wish I had something better to report. Hope you guys are well.

Hey there

 

I have been tapering a little over two months now, very slowly. About 1mg a month. I have an extreme headache daily and lots of body pain and fatigue but sleep seems to be going ok. I wish I had something better to report. Hope you guys are well.

 

Hi Jen,

 

Very happy to see you are doing okay, tapering by 1mg / month sounds like the best plan, I'm struggling with my taper between 10-15mg / day yesterday

I had a high stress business meeting and I did not do well had to go back to 15mg for the day I had a late day Doctors appointment that I will explain later when I have more time, just a very interesting discussion. I also have problems with headaches and tinnitus and inner ear pressure, I wonder if it's our system tiring to fire back up or the medicine? Looks like we are all making progress and our bodies must be healing some, I just need to take my own advice to be patient.

 

Great to hear from You stay in contact !

Kind Regards

Terry