[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I was on 4mg short term, had to reinstate Doctor made me taper to fast. Oh hold 6 months, Got off 2 mg, cut .25 every three weeks. Started to taper 2 mg again. I am holding at 1.25 for a little over 4 weeks. Very anxious and tinnitus very loud, hard to sleep. Not feeling well. I believe I tapered to fast .25 every two weeks. Should I go up to 1.50, reinstate to 2.0 or just continue to hold. Then go more slowly. I’m dry cutting. Thanking you in advance. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I was on 4mg short term, had to reinstate Doctor made me taper to fast. Oh hold 6 months, Got off 2 mg, cut .25 every three weeks. Started to taper 2 mg again. I am holding at 1.25 for a little over 4 weeks. Very anxious and tinnitus very loud, hard to sleep. Not feeling well. I believe I tapered to fast .25 every two weeks. Should I go up to 1.50, reinstate to 2.0 or just continue to hold. Then go more slowly. I’m dry cutting. Thanking you in advance. Tina Valium can be tricky to taper due to this long half life. Cuts can creep up on you weeks later. As you get lower in dose your cut % becomes greater. At 1.5mg reducing .25mg is a 17% reduction. Faster than the recommended 10%. This may be why symptoms have escalated. Maybe try to go back up to 1.75 or 2mg & hold till you feel well enough to move forward with your taper again. Then continue to taper at a rate that is more comfortable for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Thank you Bela Amis. Is it ok to reinstate after holding over 4 weeks? If I do I don’t know how to Lower the% dry cutting. Would you be willing to help and give me a schedule. I’m not very good At math. I am 79 years old and would appreciate your help. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Thank you Bela Amis. Is it ok to reinstate after holding over 4 weeks? If I do I don’t know how to Lower the% dry cutting. Would you be willing to help and give me a schedule. I’m not very good At math. I am 79 years old and would appreciate your help. Tina Hi Tina3- You are welcome! At this point it would be ok to reinstate to a dose you feel comfortable at. I would be willing to help you with dry cutting schedule, absolutely! You may get more help & responses if you post here in the general tapers board: General Taper Plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hi Bela Amis, You have made me feel better already. I’ve been feeling so alone in this struggle. My psychologist Is no help at all and is closing her practice. Will you able to send me a taper schedule as soon as you get a chance. I will probably Reinstate to 2.0 mg. Thank you so much for your kindness. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hi Bela Amis, You have made me feel better already. I’ve been feeling so alone in this struggle. My psychologist Is no help at all and is closing her practice. Will you able to send me a taper schedule as soon as you get a chance. I will probably Reinstate to 2.0 mg. Thank you so much for your kindness. Tina I am glad you are feeling better already. I am sorry your psychologist is closing her practice. Are you looking for another psychologist? It is important to have help if difficult symptoms arise while you are tapering. My psychologist gave me some great coping skills to help with difficult withdrawal symptoms. I do hope you find another psychologist soon. Are you comfortable with dry cutting your tablets into small pieces, say 1/8 pieces? If so I will begin to work on a schedule for you dry cutting & perhaps shaving if you have difficulty cutting up & dividing your tablets into small 1/8th pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I have an appointment tomorrow with a psychologist. I do feel comfortable dry cutting into 1/8 pieces. I really can’t thank you enough. You are making it so much easier for me. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I have an appointment tomorrow with a psychologist. I do feel comfortable dry cutting into 1/8 pieces. I really can’t thank you enough. You are making it so much easier for me. Tina Great Tina! No worries....I will get right on that taper schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hey Tina- I forgot to ask.... how many times a day do you take the Valium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Twice a day. AM & PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Hi Tina- I read thorough your posts carefully. I see that you were rapid tapered, updosed & holding for 6 months due to increased symptoms from cutting .25mg every three weeks. Cutting up tablets smaller than 1/8 is rather difficult if not impossible. Because you were dropping .25mg (1/8) every 3 weeks & suffered, I would not suggest going this route again. I would suggest for you to see if your local pharmacy can compound your doses every month. This may be much easier for you & more accurate as well. If compounded doses is not an option for you, I would then suggest to see if your doctor can prescribe you Pharmaceutical liquid Valium. The liquid is nice because it is easier for you tp adjust your doses if you need to go slower due to increases symptoms. Another advantage is you then don't have to mess around with tablets or having the pharmacy compound your doses. If the pharmeceutical liquid Valium is not an option, many make their own liquid. This is usually a last resort. So why not consider all of these factors/options & let me know what you think about these alternatives to dry cutting. Plan #1 Have your local pharmacy compound your doses. Week AM PM Total Tablets Dose mg Dose mg mg Needed Start 1 1mg 2 1 - 2 .95 .95 1.90 28 - .95 3 - 4 .90 .90 1.80 28 - .90 5 - 6 .85 .85 1.70 28 - .85 7 - 8 .80 .80 1.60 28 - .80 9 - 10 .75 .75 1.50 28 - .75 11 - 12 .70 .70 1.40 28 - .70 13 - 14 .65 .65 1.30 28 - .65 15 - 16 .60 .60 1.20 28 - .60 17 - 18 .55 .55 1.10 28 - .55 19 - 20 .50 .50 1 28 - .50 21 - 22 .45 .45 .90 28 - .45 23 - 24 .40 .40 .80 28 - .40 25 - 26 .35 .35 .70 28 - .35 27 - 28 .30 .30 .60 28 - .30 29 - 30 .25 .25 .50 28 - .25 31 - 32 .20 .20 .40 28 - .20 33 - 34 .15 .15 .30 28 - .15 35 - 36 .10 .10 .20 28 - .10 37 - 38 .5 .5 .10 28 - .05 DONE ================================================ Plan #2 Use Pharmaceutical liquid Valium 5:5 (1ml=1mg) Week AM PM Total Dose ml Dose ml ml/mg Start 1 1mg 2 1 - 2 .95 .95 1.90 3 - 4 .90 .90 1.80 5 - 6 .85 .85 1.70 7 - 8 .80 .80 1.60 9 - 10 .75 .75 1.50 11 - 12 .70 .70 1.40 13 - 14 .65 .65 1.30 15 - 16 .60 .60 1.20 17 - 18 .55 .55 1.10 19 - 20 .50 .50 1 21 - 22 .45 .45 .90 23 - 24 .40 .40 .80 25 - 26 .35 .35 .70 27 - 28 .30 .30 .60 29 - 30 .25 .25 .50 31 - 32 .20 .20 .40 33 - 34 .15 .15 .30 35 - 36 .10 .10 .20 37 - 38 .5 .5 .10 DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 I appreciate your time spent on this schedule. My Doctor will not give me liquid valium and my pharmacy will not compound the doses. I really don’t know how to do a liquid taper. It all looks so confusing to me. I and my husband thank you for everything you have done for me. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 No problem! Another option is to use a gram scale & weight each tablet & remove the reduction. This method can be just a confusing as the titration. The only other method that I am aware of is this.... This is a plan that a person used to successfully taper Valium. She was in the same predicament. Liquid & compounding pharmacy & gram scale were not feasible options nor could she accurately cut up her tablets small enough to taper properly. The following method may seem different but it worked well for her. Consider this: Plan #3 Cut 1 - 2mg tablets in half. Place a emery board on flat surface. Take each 1 mg tablet & swipe it along the emery board creating a 1 inch visible line. Use this same line every day to swipe the 1mg tablet(s). These will be your 2 daily doses. Increase swipes by 1 everyday. Use a calendar to record the number of swipes each day. Keep swiping each day till the tablet(s) are gone. Day AM PM Start 1mg 1mg 1 1 swipe 1 swipe 2 2 swipes 2 swipes 3 3 swipes 3 swipes 4 4 swipes 4 swipes 5 5 swipes 5 swipes etc. Swipe till the tablet is gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Thanks, seems simple enough. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Is it possible to still give me a schedule to try cut 2 mg valium. I would appreciate it very much. I’ll bring everything to my Dr tomorrow to see what he thinks. Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Is it possible to still give me a schedule to try cut 2 mg valium. I would appreciate it very much. I’ll bring everything to my Dr tomorrow to see what he thinks. Tina Hi Tina- I did not have time to check this for errors. I hope it is ok. Good luck at the doctors tomorrow! Plan #4 Reduce 10% every 14 days by cutting 2mg tablets. Cut Tablet Equivalencies: 1/2 of 2mg tablet = 1mg 1/4 of 2mg tablet = .50mg 1/8 of 2mg tablet = .25mg 1/16 of 2mg tablet = .125mg 1/32 of 2mg tablet = .0625mg **CALCULATIONS ARE ROUNDED OFF** Am Pm Total Dose Dose Dose Start Dose 1mg 1mg 2.0mg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 1 - 2 10% of 2mg = .20mg; 2mg - .20mg = 1.80mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50mg +.25mg + .125mg = .875mg .88mg .88mg 1.76mg 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 of 2mg tab --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 3 - 4 10% of 1.80mg = .180mg 1.80 - .180 = 1.62mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50mg + .25mg + .0625mg = .813mg .81mg .81mg 1.62mg 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/32 of 2mg tab ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 5 - 6 10% of 1.62mg = .162mg 1.62mg - .162mg = 1.46mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50mg + .25mg = .75mg .75mg .75mg 1.50mg 1/4 + 1/8 of 2mg tab ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 7 - 8 10% of 1.46mg = .146mg 1.46mg - .146mg = 1.31mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50mg + .125mg + .0625mg = .69mg .69mg .69mg 1.38mg 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/32 of 2mg tab ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 9 - 10 10% of 1.31mg = .131mg 1.31mg - .131mg = 1.18mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50mg + .0625 = .56mg .56mg .56mg 1.12mg 1/4 + 1/32 of 2mg tab ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Week 11 - 12 10% of 1. 18mg = .18m 1.18mg - .118mg = 1.06mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50 .50mg .50mg 1mg 1/4 of 2mg tab ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 13 - 14 10% of 1.06mg = .11mg 1.06mg - .11mg = .95mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .50mg .50mg .50mg .95mg 1/4 of 2mg tab --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 15 - 16 10% of .95mg = .09mg .95mg - .09mg = .86mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .25mg + .125mg + .0625 = .44mg .44mg .44mg .88mg 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 of 2mg tab ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 17 - 18 10% of .86mg = .086mg .86mg - .09mg = .77mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .25mg + .125mg = .38mg .38mg .38mg .76mg 1/8mg + 1/16mg of 2mg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Week 19 - 20 10% of .77mg = .08mg .77mg - .08mg = .69mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .25mg + .125 mg = .38mg .38mg .38mg .76mg 1/8mg + 1/16mg of 2mg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 21 - 22 10% of .69mg = .07mg .69mg - .07mg = .62mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .25mg + .0625mg = .31mg .31mg .31mg .62mg 1/8mg + 1/32 of 2mg --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 23 - 24 10% of .62mg = .06mg .62mg - .06mg = .56mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .25mg + .0625 mg = .31mg .31mg .31mg .62mg 1/8mg + 1/32 of 2mg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 24 - 25 10% of .56mg = .06mg .56mg - .06mg = .50mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .25mg .25mg .25mg .50mg 1/8 of 2mg =============================================================== AT THIS POINT ASHTON RECOMMENDS BEING DONE. DRUG LOOSES THERAPEUTIC VALUE =============================================================== Week 26 - 27 10% of .50mg = .05mg .50mg - .05mg = .45mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .125mg .125mg .125mg .25mg 1/16 of 2mg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 28 - 29 10% of .45mg = .05mg .45mg - .05mg = .40mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .0625mg .063mg .063mg .125mg 1/32 of 2mg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Week 29 - 30 10% of .40mg = .04mg .40mg - .04mg = .36mg Am Pm Total Cut Tablets Dose Dose Dose .03mg .03mg .03mg .06mg 1/64 of 2mg DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ti...] Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 Bella Amis you are one special person. Your kindness is very much appreciated. Best Wishes, Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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[Ti...] Posted February 13, 2018 Author Share Posted February 13, 2018 Bella Emis I want to the Doctor this morning and showed him all the plans you sent me concerning tapering. He was very impressed by your ability to put all these plans together for patients that have to taper from a benzo. He wants me to stabilize first and then see what plan is best for me. Take Care, Tina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Hi there Tina! I am glad that he is willing to work with you on a solid tapering plan. This is wonderful news! Yes, stabilize first then you will be fit to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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