[Bo...] Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 I still have no clue what a starting point would be for a slow taper for me and you have been very patient and I thank you. Is there anyone else out there that their starting dose was .50 and they dissolved it in 100ml of milk? What was your first cut? Did you draw out 1ml, or 50ml or whatever and proceeded from there????? Can anyone give me an example of their taper? I promiss this will be my last post because I'm doing nothing but wasting your time and raising my anxiety level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 I didn't mean to say 50 ml in my post. I meant to say is was anyone's initial taper .50ml? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I still have no clue what a starting point would be for a slow taper for me and you have been very patient and I thank you. Is there anyone else out there that their starting dose was .50 and they dissolved it in 100ml of milk? What was your first cut? Did you draw out 1ml, or 50ml or whatever and proceeded from there????? Can anyone give me an example of their taper? I promiss this will be my last post because I'm doing nothing but wasting your time and raising my anxiety level. 1) One more time, .5mg in 50ml ! That gives a very simple solution where each ml contains .01 (1/100th) of a mg. And as I will show you, that makes the whole procedure very simple. 2) Ok your at .5mg/day and want to do a slow taper. How about 10% per 30 days? That's a pretty slow taper. .5mg X 10% = .05mg .05mg/30 days = .00167mg cut per day. Round up .002mg/day. So, since .01mg=1ml..., then .02mg=2ml. day 1 remove and discard 2ml, drink the rest. dose is .498 day 2 remove and discard 4ml, drink the rest. dose it .496 day 3, remove and discard 6ml, drink the rest. dose is .494 day 4, remove and discard 8ml, drink the rest. dose is .492 etc... See how easy that is? You don't even need a calculator. Just increase your draw and discard by 2ml each day, and your cutting .002mg per day That actually works out to 12%/month, still a pretty slow taper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I didn't mean to say 50 ml in my post. I meant to say is was anyone's initial taper .50ml? Yes, I understand that that's someone else's procedure. But if you study the procedure and schedule I just gave you, I think you will why .01mg per ml (.5MG IN 50 ML) makes things so simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Be...] Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I used the water titration method and it worked really well. I have information on this at the link in my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I used the water titration method and it worked really well. I have information on this at the link in my signature. Well, if water worked, I'm glad for you, but...you just got lucky. It is basic fact of physical chemistry that K is NOT water-soluble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Is it against this websites rules to suggest what a slow taper for me would be? You can't set up a schedule for me? You are all being very patient with me but I'm a little slow grasping this. A slow taper, in my opinion, would be .002 mg, .003 mg, and some can do .005 mg. Those are all pretty common cuts. I'm doing a slower taper, though. I also use a 1 ml and 10 ml syringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Thank you Jenny K. builder finally got me on track. So grateful to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Ok builder, I just did a test using 50ml of water (pretending it's 50ml of milk with my .50 clonazepam dissolved in it) and I drew out 2mls, then 4mls, etc. and I ran out of solution really fast. Tell me what I did wrong please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Ok builder, I just did a test using 50ml of water (pretending it's 50ml of milk with my .50 clonazepam dissolved in it) and I drew out 2mls, then 4mls, etc. and I ran out of solution really fast. Tell me what I did wrong please. If your current dose is .5mg (which is what I understood) then... each day, you dissolve .5mg min 50 ml of milk Day 1 you remove 2mls and drink the remaining 48 Day 2 your remove 4mls and drink the remaining 46 Day 3 you remove 6mls and drink the remaining 44 With non perishable solutions (propylene glycol or alcohol) you can prepare enough for 10-14 days and just draw your dose each day. Because of perishability, and other limitations, that really doesn't work with milk. So you need to prepare a single days dose each day, and reduce it by the ccut amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Aye yi yi builder! I am so embarrassed. I have totally lost my mind. I Think I've FINALLY got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 I would NOT recommend anyone to use this schedule to start off cutting 2mls of .50 clonazepam dissolved in 50 MLs of milk! WAy to big of a cut. It might work for a different med but NOT clonazepam. You have to start much, much, much lower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I would NOT recommend anyone to use this schedule to start off cutting 2mls of .50 clonazepam dissolved in 50 MLs of milk! WAy to big of a cut. It might work for a different med but NOT clonazepam. You have to start much, much, much lower! You don't have to taper at that rate. You can cut 1cc, 1/2cc, even 1/4cc if you have a 1cc syringe. That is a guideline that you were given. Plus you don't have to cut every night. Yes, Klonopin is pretty strong, but many people have gotten off successfully. Why not try cutting by 1/2 cc which would be .005mg and see how it goes. Again, you don't have to cut every night. Keep listening to your body and keep a journal which has helped me a lot. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Thanks Dana, You are so right about the small cuts. Your advice is the best I've found in response to my original post. Thank you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Je...] Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I would NOT recommend anyone to use this schedule to start off cutting 2mls of .50 clonazepam dissolved in 50 MLs of milk! WAy to big of a cut. It might work for a different med but NOT clonazepam. You have to start much, much, much lower! You don't have to taper at that rate. You can cut 1cc, 1/2cc, even 1/4cc if you have a 1cc syringe. That is a guideline that you were given. Plus you don't have to cut every night. Yes, Klonopin is pretty strong, but many people have gotten off successfully. Why not try cutting by 1/2 cc which would be .005mg and see how it goes. Again, you don't have to cut every night. Keep listening to your body and keep a journal which has helped me a lot. Hope this helps. When you find the right cut for you, you will be able to cut every day. That's what this method is, cutting very small amounts every day so that you feel well. I don't think you should cut too much and then hold. It's better to find an amount that your body can handle and taper every day. You should be fine, if you do that and listen to your body. I also keep a log. Jenny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Thanks Jenny. I'm going to use alcohol instead of milk. The milk foams way too much for me. I think Dana? said to dissolve my pill in 2 ml vodka then add 100ml water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1mg benzo:2ml vodka:98ml water. This gives you final concentration of .01mg per ml. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 How often would you dose .50? I always took my pill at night before bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I would follow the same schedule you were already using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Ok builder, remember it's me who you're talking to. I'm very slow at grasping this. Sooooo, should I dissolve my .50 mg pill in 1ml of vodka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Ok builder, remember it's me who you're talking to. I'm very slow at grasping this. Sooooo, should I dissolve my .50 mg pill in 1ml of vodka? OK, with solvent + water liquid, the procedure is different (and easier) than milk. You don'r make a new batch each day; you make enough to last 10-14 days, and just drink the dose each day. No "pull and discard". So your current dose is .5mg, correct? Dissolve 10 X .5mg tablets (5mgs) in 10ml vodka, and add 490mls water. Now you have 500ml liquid, .01mg in each ml. This will be enough for 10-12 days. Store it at room temp in a sealed glass jar. Here's a schedule that will taper approx 10% every 2 weeks: .5mg (50ml) .4965mg (49.65ml) .493mg (59.3ml) 49.3ml 4.895mg (48.95ml) etc... The amount in mls is the amount you drink each day. You just draw that amount from your starting 500ml batch and drink it. No "pull and discard" You just reduce your dose by .0035mgs (.35mls) each day. That's about .5mg per 2 weeks, or about 10%/2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Oh no, I prefer to make a daily batch and draw out a LOW amount and discard each day.. Why would it go : .5mg (50ml) .4965 (49.65ml) .493mg (59.3 ml). Why from 49.65ml jump up to 59.3ml then back down 48.95ml? 4.895mg (48.95ml). TOO CONFUSING Sorry builder, I don't mean to offend you in anyway because you help so many people but this scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Oh no, I prefer to make a daily batch and draw out a LOW amount and discard each day.. Why would it go : .5mg (50ml) .4965 (49.65ml) .493mg (59.3 ml). (49.3ml) Why from 49.65ml jump up to 59.3ml then back down 48.95ml? 4.895mg (48.95ml). TOO CONFUSING Sorry builder, I don't mean to offend you in anyway because you help so many people but this scares me. Just a typo. Look at the mgs, its .493mg, or 49.3ml. Why is lowering your dose by .35ml/day more confusing than increasing your cut by by .35ml/day? Is addition easier than subtraction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Bo...] Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 Why do I feel as if I'm always being scolded by you? I'm just looking for some "kind" help on here. Thanks for your time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Why do I feel as if I'm always being scolded by you? I'm just looking for some "kind" help on here. Thanks for your time anyway. Hi Boppin. Builder is very kind and patient. He has to deal with a lot of us who are trying to figure it out. I did not understand at first and spent 2 whole days wracking by brain to understand the logic. It finally clicked. He is just trying to give a way where we don't have to waste any of the drug and really make it easier. It gets tedious making a dose every night to pull off and discard. With making a batch, all you have to do is drink the amount that is needed. You are still decreasing the dose, just not wasting any. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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