[ga...] Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 My early taper was way too fast and it was extremely rough. Now at my snail pace I am living life like I was before Benzos. I still have a ways to go but I am feeling like my old self. I have sped up a bit but am still going a slow pace. JuJuBi That's the way to do it! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ga...] Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi :thumbsup: This is the way it should be, and can be, with careful, symptoms-based tapering. If only the doctors would help everyone do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[be...] Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[St...] Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Yes, your doctor has to write a script and compounding can mean dry or liquid, but it's most often liquid. Some parts of the world offer tapering strips but aren't available in the US. Aren't you already on liquid Valium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[St...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Yes, your doctor has to write a script and compounding can mean dry or liquid, but it's most often liquid. Some parts of the world offer tapering strips but aren't available in the US. Aren't you already on liquid Valium? Oh okay!! Yes i'm on liquid valium and maybe i'm just going too fast and haven't given it time to build in my system but its just not filling the gaps. I'm feeling interdose just like when I was on ativan. On the other hand i'm thinking will holding too long for it to build up be counterproductive because then its just more to remove FROM my system. Right now my only interdose symptoms are anxiety, palps and a little head pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Yes, your doctor has to write a script and compounding can mean dry or liquid, but it's most often liquid. Some parts of the world offer tapering strips but aren't available in the US. Aren't you already on liquid Valium? Oh okay!! Yes i'm on liquid valium and maybe i'm just going too fast and haven't given it time to build in my system but its just not filling the gaps. I'm feeling interdose just like when I was on ativan. On the other hand i'm thinking will holding too long for it to build up be counterproductive because then its just more to remove FROM my system. Right now my only interdose symptoms are anxiety, palps and a little head pressure. How long did you take to crossover to Valium and did you hold until you were stable once you fully crossed over or did you start reducing right away? How often are you dosing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[St...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Yes, your doctor has to write a script and compounding can mean dry or liquid, but it's most often liquid. Some parts of the world offer tapering strips but aren't available in the US. Aren't you already on liquid Valium? Oh okay!! Yes i'm on liquid valium and maybe i'm just going too fast and haven't given it time to build in my system but its just not filling the gaps. I'm feeling interdose just like when I was on ativan. On the other hand i'm thinking will holding too long for it to build up be counterproductive because then its just more to remove FROM my system. Right now my only interdose symptoms are anxiety, palps and a little head pressure. How long did you take to crossover to Valium and did you hold until you were stable once you fully crossed over or did you start reducing right away? How often are you dosing? Whew! I made the switch instantly and it was brutal. And within a few days was reducing by drip drops, did not wait to stabilize had no idea the crash it would cause. I'm dosing 3x/day My psych is supposedly "benzo wise" but i'm not so sure now so I just want to go slow as possible as to not cause myself anymore suffering yet it seems every DROP of this liquid is strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Pa...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Yes, your doctor has to write a script and compounding can mean dry or liquid, but it's most often liquid. Some parts of the world offer tapering strips but aren't available in the US. Aren't you already on liquid Valium? Oh okay!! Yes i'm on liquid valium and maybe i'm just going too fast and haven't given it time to build in my system but its just not filling the gaps. I'm feeling interdose just like when I was on ativan. On the other hand i'm thinking will holding too long for it to build up be counterproductive because then its just more to remove FROM my system. Right now my only interdose symptoms are anxiety, palps and a little head pressure. How long did you take to crossover to Valium and did you hold until you were stable once you fully crossed over or did you start reducing right away? How often are you dosing? Whew! I made the switch instantly and it was brutal. And within a few days was reducing by drip drops, did not wait to stabilize had no idea the crash it would cause. I'm dosing 3x/day My psych is supposedly "benzo wise" but i'm not so sure now so I just want to go slow as possible as to not cause myself anymore suffering yet it seems every DROP of this liquid is strong. So your doctor missed the part about crossing over in stages and you paid the price, lovely! https://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm#s8 What is the concentration of Valium in your solution, do you dilute it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[he...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi JuJuBi, what were your symptoms like when you were moving too quickly? What made you decide to cut down to a much lower taper rate? Just to see if it would help? I'm having terrible fogs nearly every day after reaching around .375 mg k. I had been doing better before (not great by any means), but it has gotten very tough now. I've started 5%/14 as a dry DMT. I had been moving at 5.5%, 6.1%, and before that, 6.3%, and was at least tolerating it. I'm trying to go slower to see if it helps. No help yet, but I just started the 5% a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[St...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I wanted to update. I am still feeling like my old self. I almost feel guilty that my taper is going so well. I am now free from my middle dose! I reduced my midday dose down to zip. It is soooo nice to no longer have to tote that mid day dose around with me. I am now 7 am and 7 pm. So very close to being done. Hugs to all JuJuBi Hi there! How do I get a compounded prescription? Is that liquid or pills? Do I talk to my Dr and they write a script for it? Yes, your doctor has to write a script and compounding can mean dry or liquid, but it's most often liquid. Some parts of the world offer tapering strips but aren't available in the US. Aren't you already on liquid Valium? Oh okay!! Yes i'm on liquid valium and maybe i'm just going too fast and haven't given it time to build in my system but its just not filling the gaps. I'm feeling interdose just like when I was on ativan. On the other hand i'm thinking will holding too long for it to build up be counterproductive because then its just more to remove FROM my system. Right now my only interdose symptoms are anxiety, palps and a little head pressure. How long did you take to crossover to Valium and did you hold until you were stable once you fully crossed over or did you start reducing right away? How often are you dosing? Whew! I made the switch instantly and it was brutal. And within a few days was reducing by drip drops, did not wait to stabilize had no idea the crash it would cause. I'm dosing 3x/day My psych is supposedly "benzo wise" but i'm not so sure now so I just want to go slow as possible as to not cause myself anymore suffering yet it seems every DROP of this liquid is strong. So your doctor missed the part about crossing over in stages and you paid the price, lovely! https://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm#s8 What is the concentration of Valium in your solution, do you dilute it? Yea she missed that part It's 5mg/5mL (1mg/1mL) I don't dilute it persay, but I do squirt it in my mouth either with water already in my mouth or I immediately chase it with a good bit of water, I found it burns my throat less that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 hereforhelp My early symptoms is a laundry list. some were Heart palpitations to a slow heart beat. head pressure, depression, tinnitus, dizziness, blurred vision, and the worst terrible anxiety, depression, racing thoughts and akathisia. It was one minute at a time. I was close to bed bound. A good friend with lots of experience in this suggested I try to go as low as 3%. She said she had seen it work well. I have to work so I was willing to try. It took about 2 months for symptoms to start to ease and 6 months until I was nearly symptom free. Then it only got better as time went on. I have sped up in the last month but watching things VERY closely. If I could start over I would spend 2-4 months getting really healthy then go 3%-5% month and live life normally until off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[St...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 hereforhelp My early symptoms is a laundry list. some were Heart palpitations to a slow heart beat. head pressure, depression, tinnitus, dizziness, blurred vision, and the worst terrible anxiety, depression, racing thoughts and akathisia. It was one minute at a time. I was close to bed bound. A good friend with lots of experience in this suggested I try to go as low as 3%. She said she had seen it work well. I have to work so I was willing to try. It took about 2 months for symptoms to start to ease and 6 months until I was nearly symptom free. Then it only got better as time went on. I have sped up in the last month but watching things VERY closely. If I could start over I would spend 2-4 months getting really healthy then go 3%-5% month and live life normally until off. Hi JuJuBi, How do you calculate your cut percentages ? Is there a link you can share to a calculator that does this? I need to slow down but have no idea how much i'm cutting every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[he...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 hereforhelp My early symptoms is a laundry list. some were Heart palpitations to a slow heart beat. head pressure, depression, tinnitus, dizziness, blurred vision, and the worst terrible anxiety, depression, racing thoughts and akathisia. It was one minute at a time. I was close to bed bound. A good friend with lots of experience in this suggested I try to go as low as 3%. She said she had seen it work well. I have to work so I was willing to try. It took about 2 months for symptoms to start to ease and 6 months until I was nearly symptom free. Then it only got better as time went on. I have sped up in the last month but watching things VERY closely. If I could start over I would spend 2-4 months getting really healthy then go 3%-5% month and live life normally until off. Thank you so much for your response, Jujubi. Had you hit tolerance, or had you started having wd symptoms, before you started tapering? It's the reason I knew something was up; I started tapering shortly after my awful discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[he...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 hereforhelp My early symptoms is a laundry list. some were Heart palpitations to a slow heart beat. head pressure, depression, tinnitus, dizziness, blurred vision, and the worst terrible anxiety, depression, racing thoughts and akathisia. It was one minute at a time. I was close to bed bound. A good friend with lots of experience in this suggested I try to go as low as 3%. She said she had seen it work well. I have to work so I was willing to try. It took about 2 months for symptoms to start to ease and 6 months until I was nearly symptom free. Then it only got better as time went on. I have sped up in the last month but watching things VERY closely. If I could start over I would spend 2-4 months getting really healthy then go 3%-5% month and live life normally until off. Hi JuJuBi, How do you calculate your cut percentages ? Is there a link you can share to a calculator that does this? I need to slow down but have no idea how much i'm cutting every time. (current dose / previous dose) * 100 = % current dose of previous dose [1 - (current dose / previous dose)] * 100 = % cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[St...] Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 hereforhelp My early symptoms is a laundry list. some were Heart palpitations to a slow heart beat. head pressure, depression, tinnitus, dizziness, blurred vision, and the worst terrible anxiety, depression, racing thoughts and akathisia. It was one minute at a time. I was close to bed bound. A good friend with lots of experience in this suggested I try to go as low as 3%. She said she had seen it work well. I have to work so I was willing to try. It took about 2 months for symptoms to start to ease and 6 months until I was nearly symptom free. Then it only got better as time went on. I have sped up in the last month but watching things VERY closely. If I could start over I would spend 2-4 months getting really healthy then go 3%-5% month and live life normally until off. Hi JuJuBi, How do you calculate your cut percentages ? Is there a link you can share to a calculator that does this? I need to slow down but have no idea how much i'm cutting every time. (current dose / previous dose) * 100 = % current dose of previous dose [1 - (current dose / previous dose)] * 100 = % cut The asterisk is for multiplication? Thank you for helping me with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[he...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 hereforhelp My early symptoms is a laundry list. some were Heart palpitations to a slow heart beat. head pressure, depression, tinnitus, dizziness, blurred vision, and the worst terrible anxiety, depression, racing thoughts and akathisia. It was one minute at a time. I was close to bed bound. A good friend with lots of experience in this suggested I try to go as low as 3%. She said she had seen it work well. I have to work so I was willing to try. It took about 2 months for symptoms to start to ease and 6 months until I was nearly symptom free. Then it only got better as time went on. I have sped up in the last month but watching things VERY closely. If I could start over I would spend 2-4 months getting really healthy then go 3%-5% month and live life normally until off. Hi JuJuBi, How do you calculate your cut percentages ? Is there a link you can share to a calculator that does this? I need to slow down but have no idea how much i'm cutting every time. (current dose / previous dose) * 100 = % current dose of previous dose [1 - (current dose / previous dose)] * 100 = % cut The asterisk is for multiplication? Thank you for helping me with this. Yes! You got it! And you're very welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Hereforhelp no I had not hit tolerance. I was only on for 4 months before my taper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Hi JuJuBi Did you cut and hold to a certain point before going to liquid? I would like to go really slow so interested in your 3% rule. Many thank MP Hereforhelp no I had not hit tolerance. I was only on for 4 months before my taper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Miss Piggy I was doing cut and hold and found cutting pills to be very stressful. I also seemed to have worse symptoms right after taking the pill. We thought maybe there was somethin in the pills my system did not like. My doctor recommended I go to a compound liquid. I did not hold at that point. It was early in my taper and I was still going way too fast. At one point I believe I did 45% in one month. I hit an really awful wave that lasted 21 days. I held for 10 days at the beginning of the wave and then lowered to the 3%. From there things gradually improved. Hugs JuJuBi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[he...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Hereforhelp no I had not hit tolerance. I was only on for 4 months before my taper. I hit tolerance at right around three months, and I wasn't even taking it daily for the first 1.5 months. I'm not sure I can slow to a rate that'll have the results that you had because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Thank you JuJuBi Do you mean you cut 3% over a month. How much did you reduce by each day? Sorry if any of my questions are simple!! Did your doc support the small percentage drop okay? Are you in the uk? Thank you so much Miss Piggy I was doing cut and hold and found cutting pills to be very stressful. I also seemed to have worse symptoms right after taking the pill. We thought maybe there was somethin in the pills my system did not like. My doctor recommended I go to a compound liquid. I did not hold at that point. It was early in my taper and I was still going way too fast. At one point I believe I did 45% in one month. I hit an really awful wave that lasted 21 days. I held for 10 days at the beginning of the wave and then lowered to the 3%. From there things gradually improved. Hugs JuJuBi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ju...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Because of my liquid ratio I could not do a daily reduction. I reduced .001 ever 3-4 days or whatever 3% came to. My doctor is very supportive of me taking as long as I need to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mi...] Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 tHank you J I will probably have a ton of questions as once all on one benzo I want to take it slow. I have got a bit stuck with fear at the moment so good to hear you are going well. X Because of my liquid ratio I could not do a daily reduction. I reduced .001 ever 3-4 days or whatever 3% came to. My doctor is very supportive of me taking as long as I need to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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