[Br...] Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I'm getting ready to begin a liquid micro taper using the vodka/water method. Have 1mg pills of K but am only taking 0.5mg a day If you see from the other thread, SG has been helping me but said you might also be able to help. I have 100 proof vodka Can I start tonight by dissolving the 1mg pill in 3ml's vodka, then add the 97ml's water. Did try the whole milk but didn't like it. Do I have to let it sit overnight, or will it dissolve within minutes so that I can take it soon after? I will split the 100ml's in half so it'll be the 0.5mg dose and save the other for the next day. Sorry, I'm alittle paranoid and very very scared about starting again as this is my FOURTH attempt to get free from klonopin and it HAS TO work! Thank you for any help, advice that will allow me to breathe into this and not be so scared!! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Kl...] Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hey. I'm not a regular poster here, and your post wasn't addressed to me, but I'm also in the process of a water based micro taper. The numbers are different for me, as I use 195ml of water and 5ml of 50% grain alcohol, but yeah, you are describing a similar process to mine. My pills take a while to break down. I place the pill inside a 50ml syringe and then fill the syringe with 5ml of 50% grain alcohol. Over the course of about 2 hours I shake it a few times. It eventually crumbles into a fine powder. At that point I draw in another 5ml of water into the syringe and give it some more shaking. The solids are suspended nicely in the syringe and the clonazepam is (presumably) dissolved in solution. I add it to water to make 200ml, shake it all together, draw of what I need, and that's it! Two thoughts. You mention 3ml of alcohol. I'd use 5ml of alcohol/water solution. It just seems to work easier. Also, if you are just now switching over to taking your dose in water, wait a good 10 days (or more) before you begin your taper. For me, liquid isn't absorbed as well as taking a tablet so I need my body to adjust. Patience is our friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hey Brittany, I responded to your other post now I see your daily dose. I will work on this in a little bit. I like KlonopinKarl's idea to use 200ml of total solution. Be back in a bit. sharkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hi, KK-Thank You for responding anyway!! And thanks for the additional imput. I'm alittle scared of becoming to symptomatic again in trying to get free of this but need to get started soon. Are you okay right now? Hope you're feeling okay!! Sharkey-Thanks! I will check back to hear from you when you get a chance. So thankful for the guidance and caring of you all who have suffered and been down this road. It means SO MUCH!! Sue XO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Brittany, If i were you this is what I would do: 1. Dissolve 1mg pill in 3ml of vodka 2. Add 197ml of water to make 200ml of solution 3. Divide the 200ml into 2 - 100ml doses so each day is started with 100ml/.5mg solution If you use this method each 1ml = .005mg K. As KlonopinKarl mentioned, you need to wait at least a week to allow your body to get use to the liquid solution so take the full 100ml for this time. After that I would start reducing at a rate of 0.5ml a day. This would represent a .0025mg K reduction a day. Once you start this process you can increase or decrease this rate based on how you feel. For example, if you feel fine after 2 weeks of reducing 0.5ml/0.0025mg a day, you can increase to 0.75ml a day and test for 2 weeks. OR if you are having a hard time at .5ml you could decrease to .25ml a day. So here is a sample schedule for a 0.5ml/.0025mg reduction: Day 1: 100ml Day 2: 99.5ml Day 3: 99ml Day 4: 98.5ml Day 5: 98ml And so on... I hope this helps! Please let me know what questions you have. Stay strong! sharkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Sharkey, Thank You so much. I think I've got it. Will spend the next week or so like you said.... just getting used to switching to the liquid taper without reducing. Everyone's help is so appreciated. Thank you all for staying around to help all of us! I have never been so scared of anything like I am of coming off of this drug! It's unbelievable really!! Thanks again, Sue SG too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Tonight will be my third night of doing the vodka/water. I am experiencing alittle increase in d/r and manicky type anxiety. Can this be from the change from pill to liquid, do you know? Has it happened to others and then calms down? Thanks for any info. ps-about a week ago though, the pharmacy switched the klonopin to another manufacturer. The manufacturer I had has temporarily stopped making the klonopin. (this could've caused some too) But still would like to know if it happens anyway when switching from pill to liquid. And if there's HOPE of it calming down some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes, people do often feel the switch. Very common. Also, the brand change can also cause it. The brand can also go the other way (i.e., your dose goes up with a new brand). I'd just give it time and let it all settle. It will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes, people do often feel the switch. Very common. Also, the brand change can also cause it. The brand can also go the other way (i.e., your dose goes up with a new brand). I'd just give it time and let it all settle. It will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Based on personal experience (and advice from pharmacists) I would be much more concerned about the change in brands than I would about the change in dose form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Thank you all so much! I am somewhat upset about the brand change because I felt a difference. However, it seems there's nothing I can do about it. This same manufacturer called Milan did this same thing with thyroid medication, stopped making it for almost a year and then started it again. I think they play games with these drugs, people's lives, etc. They use lame excuses for while they stop and start a certain drug. Do you think so too? I can't wait to be free of all of these drugs (well, only k and prozac now) and live again. Do you all feel calm now for the most part? I get so freaked out and anxious about everything right now and it's scary and crazy. Thanks again for your help! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Anxiety was never a symptom I had, which seems unusual, but I have felt calm the entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 SG, Hi! I am so sad but trying to hold it together. Ever since trying to get off of k, it seems I've become extremely sensitive to any changes. I'm in the process of calling different pharmacies this morning about what other brand is available to try. The one I'm taking isn't working and I almost feel as if I've cold turkeyed. I like the vodka/water taper but think it's best to stop for now until I get stable. Do you think that's a good idea? It's probably adding alittle to my symptoms and best to wait and see if I can get stable on another brand and then start again. (just getting scared that I'll never be able to get off of this drug SG, builder, Sharkey, oregonkatz -any thoughts on this greatly appreciated. I'm scared. Thanks, Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 SG, Hi! I am so sad but trying to hold it together. Ever since trying to get off of k, it seems I've become extremely sensitive to any changes. I'm in the process of calling different pharmacies this morning about what other brand is available to try. The one I'm taking isn't working and I almost feel as if I've cold turkeyed. I like the vodka/water taper but think it's best to stop for now until I get stable. Do you think that's a good idea? It's probably adding alittle to my symptoms and best to wait and see if I can get stable on another brand and then start again. (just getting scared that I'll never be able to get off of this drug SG, builder, Sharkey, oregonkatz -any thoughts on this greatly appreciated. I'm scared. Thanks, Sue When did you start titration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I really think what is important is to be consistent. Whatever is going on will settle if you give it time. So I would stay on the current brand and plan to stick with it to the end. And I would keep dosing with liquid too. I think you need to give it time, but I know if symptoms are bad that is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Sharkey-I have used the liquid for 4 nights now. I know that's not alot of time but I think I need to feel more stable and was looking to try another brand to see if it helps. I am definitely feeling different on this brand. The brand I was on is supposedly on backorder and not coming back until possibly Sept/Oct if at all. SG-I totally understand what you're saying about consistency, etc. but I am feeling bad enough that it's causing me to think I might need to try another brand to see if I feel better on something else and then start the titration again. This almost took my life in January so the fear is very real and I need to be as stable as possible. I was thinking I've reached tolerance of some sort but don't think so because i didn't start feeling this bad until the brand change and think that trying to switch to liquid might just be adding enough to put me over the top. Does that make sense? Oh, I can't wait to be free!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I like the vodka/water taper but think it's best to stop for now until I get stable. Do you think that's a good idea? Thanks, Sue Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Yes, it all makes sense. You know you best. If all this is caused by shortages caused by the new brand and also the switch to liquid then a solution might be to correct the shortage by taking a little more. To me this is not really an updose, but rather a correction to make up for the shortages caused by the brand switch and switch to liquid. Just something to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 SG, I'm really, really trying not to be scared but I am. New info;just spoke to another pharmacy....they told me my pharmacy has the brand that I was on but only have it in 2mg pills. The shortage is supposed to be over in Sept but until then, at least I can be back on the brand that I'm used to. Will this be too complicated? Maybe I will stay on the 2mg and cut in half and then in half again to stay on 0.5mg and not try to do the liquid yet. Or, if I stabilize enough being back on that brand within the next week or so, can start the liquid again. What do you think? I think (even though it's 2mgpills) that it's that important for me to get back on the brand that my brain is used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ga...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 SG, I'm really, really trying not to be scared but I am. New info;just spoke to another pharmacy....they told me my pharmacy has the brand that I was on but only have it in 2mg pills. The shortage is supposed to be over in Sept but until then, at least I can be back on the brand that I'm used to. Will this be too complicated? Maybe I will stay on the 2mg and cut in half and then in half again to stay on 0.5mg and not try to do the liquid yet. Or, if I stabilize enough being back on that brand within the next week or so, can start the liquid again. What do you think? I think (even though it's 2mgpills) that it's that important for me to get back on the brand that my brain is used to. Brittany, I don't have the answers that the guys do about the meds, but I want to say it's OK to be scared. And know that this will pass and you will have windows again. I found the following link to be soooo very helpful to me in coping with my fears and other symptoms. Maybe you'll find it helpful, too. http://www.recovery-road.org/acceptance I practice this when my symptoms are low (relatively speaking) as much as I can. I'm to the point now that it actually helps even when my symptoms are high. They don't go away, but they don't spiral through the roof like they used to. Of course, switching to a micro-taper has also helped with that. I'm glad you're here. We're all going to get through this together! Gard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 SG, I'm really, really trying not to be scared but I am. New info;just spoke to another pharmacy....they told me my pharmacy has the brand that I was on but only have it in 2mg pills. The shortage is supposed to be over in Sept but until then, at least I can be back on the brand that I'm used to. Will this be too complicated? Maybe I will stay on the 2mg and cut in half and then in half again to stay on 0.5mg and not try to do the liquid yet. Or, if I stabilize enough being back on that brand within the next week or so, can start the liquid again. What do you think? I think (even though it's 2mgpills) that it's that important for me to get back on the brand that my brain is used to. Getting stable right now is the thing to do and you are trying to do that. Quartering a 2mg pill I think will be inaccurate unless you use a scale to get the weight right. Since it is 2mg there is 4x as much K in it and any splitting errors will be 4x as big. I don't like those 2mg K pills. They are equivalent to a 40mg V pill. My thought is both the current and old brands are both clonazepam and there is no difference except the amount in the pill. So a dose correction upwards on the current brand should work. And then you don't have to deal with the supply problem of the old brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[ga...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 SG, I'm really, really trying not to be scared but I am. New info;just spoke to another pharmacy....they told me my pharmacy has the brand that I was on but only have it in 2mg pills. The shortage is supposed to be over in Sept but until then, at least I can be back on the brand that I'm used to. Will this be too complicated? Maybe I will stay on the 2mg and cut in half and then in half again to stay on 0.5mg and not try to do the liquid yet. Or, if I stabilize enough being back on that brand within the next week or so, can start the liquid again. What do you think? I think (even though it's 2mgpills) that it's that important for me to get back on the brand that my brain is used to. Getting stable right now is the thing to do and you are trying to do that. Quartering a 2mg pill I think will be inaccurate unless you use a scale to get the weight right. Since it is 2mg there is 4x as much K in it and any splitting errors will be 4x as big. I don't like those 2mg K pills. They are equivalent to a 40mg V pill. My thought is both the current and old brands are both clonazepam and there is no difference except the amount in the pill. So a dose correction upwards on the current brand should work. And then you don't have to deal with the supply problem of the old brand. :thumbsup: Makes perfect sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Gard, THANKS! XO Sue p.s.-can we fight this together? Let's do it! ok? I feel so alone even amongst great family and friends! You too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Br...] Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Hi, SG How should I updose? What do I need to do? Thanks, Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 That's a guess, right? If we are trying to replace the missing drug then how much is missing? We don't know, but we can guess it might be a small percentage between maybe 1-10%? 5% might be a good guess to start. Does that sound reasonable? 5% of .5mg is .025mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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