[Ki...] Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Ok after many failed CTs,slow tapering,Valium tapering I decided to take it into my own hands since doctors don't have patience for my super slow taper I take Klonopin 0,5mg 3x day I started water titration with one 0,5mg pill. I put pill in 300ml water and started to decrease 2ml/day. 30mls/15days. After 2 weeks I started to have very intense anxiety and pain and feeling sick. Am I going too fast? Yes its not bad like CT or cutting quarter a pill every 2 weeks but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[sh...] Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 You are cutting .0033mg a day which is 10% in 15 days. It could be a little fast but you are close to a good rate. Maybe hold for a week then start back up only taking 1ml(.00167mg) and see how it goes. PS - If you are doing water only without dissolving, make sure you shake your solution vigorously before each draw. Klonopin does not dissolve in water. Stay strong! sharkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 At your dose a daily rate of .0033mg may or may not be too high. I agree with Sharkey that cutting at half that (1ml a day) is a good place to begin. I also agree that using plain water may be the source of your problem. It takes attention to detail to make it work. If you dissolve the pill in a little alcohol first this problem should go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 Thank you both! That's what I was thinking. If 2ml is too much I could try 1ml. I use European Rivotril Roche. I had really hard times dry cutting that-impossible! Tried Valium Ashton Manual-that was going great but my detox specialist in US did it little too fast at the end so I end up up back on original dose I wish I can do Valium again but doctors here dont support my idea plus we dont have 2mg pills so I decided for water titration. Actually doctor here took me off in one week!! I almost died so left hospital and they got very angry with me that I dont want to cooperate and told me I am drug addict I have never done any street drugs not even alcohol or coffee I think they dont really understand how horrible is cold turkey. Yes some people can do that but that doesnt mean all. Unfortunatelly I am one of those that can get very sick from cutting just quarter a pill(always end up in ER). Oh and what do you mean alcohol? I think the pills dissolve pretty well,not great there is small residue but I always shake it in shaker before. How alcohol helps and how to do it? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The alcohol is the key. If you use just water it won't dissolve, but if you use alcohol it will. Put the pill in 3ml of high proof alcohol (80 or more, more is better), let it dissolve, then add the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The alcohol is the key. If you use just water it won't dissolve, but if you use alcohol it will. Put the pill in 3ml of high proof alcohol (80 or more, more is better), let it dissolve, then add the water. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 Sorry for stupid question but I don't know anything about alcohol What is high proof? 80 means 80%? Would Vodka work? I think it's only 40% And I guess I need a cylinder. I was using just a glass so probably not measuring exactly the right amount Why is it soo complicated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 Builder, 2 years to get off 9mg Valium? Wow!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Sorry for stupid question but I don't know anything about alcohol What is high proof? 80 means 80%? Would Vodka work? I think it's only 40% And I guess I need a cylinder. I was using just a glass so probably not measuring exactly the right amount Why is it soo complicated? 80 means 80 proof, which is 40% alcohol. 80 proof or more is what is really needed for dissolution. A graduated cylinder can be helpful, but all that is really necessary is a 1ml and 10 ml syringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 Ok thanks I have 5ml syringe. I need to get my tired body to pharmacy to find out if they have 1ml and 10ml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Ok so I tried to dissolve my pill in 40% alcohol and actually it doesnt dissolve very well It seems it dissolved better in water. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Is it that it will not break apart? It might be the brand you are using. What company makes it? In this case you may need to crush it with a mortar and pestle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 It will break apart but dissolve in bigger pieces than water. If I use water it dissolves pretty good but little residue on bottom. Is it ok? Or does alcohol should dissolve it completely? Thanks Yeah and I had to go back to my original dose because I was losing my mind and sleep just from cutting down first 10% from first pill in 15 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 What if you swirl it a little? Most of what you see is inert filler. That is normal. But you want the pill to be thoroughly broken into tiny bits so the K can escape and be dissolved by the alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Ok I just figured it out It's little gross but works perfect! Saliva dissolves it completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Wait, what did you do? You need it to first dissolve in the alcohol only, then dilute after that. Saliva mixed with the alcohol will lower the % alcohol and it may not dissolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Well I just spit on the pill and let it dissolve,then put it in the water and no residue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[...] Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Who knows, you may have hit on a way to dissolve it. But I would not trust that unless you know the benzo is dissolving. You can't see the benzo. Most of what you see is filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 Well I could see little residue when dissolved in water and now nothing and still sitting there in a glass. Nothing on bottom Well I tried it with generic Teva Clonazepam and it doesnt work that well but those pills dont even work for me Now just to figure out how to taper slow enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[bu...] Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The benzo will definitely go into solution. Some of the binders/fillers may be less soluble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[mi...] Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I got my 10ml and 1 ml syringes from Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 Miller,thanks. I moved to Europe so I will have to get it from pharmacy here. I have 5ml now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[no...] Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Miller,thanks. I moved to Europe so I will have to get it from pharmacy here. I have 5ml now Hi sweetie I'm in UK and i got all my syringes ( 1ml, 5ml, 10ml) off Amazon.UK in boxes of 100 each at a good price and delivery was good as well. Love Nova xxx :smitten: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 nova1, thanks I am already on Diazepam so I hope it will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Ki...] Posted September 5, 2015 Author Share Posted September 5, 2015 Hi, I am back. I was trying really hard to make complete crossover to Valium but I just cannot do it :'( The best I can do is probably 25mg Valium plus 0.25mg K. I wanted to ask if it's ok to water titrate The Valium first because it seems I need this 0.25mg K to be sane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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