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Hello, CioCioSan1701. I agree with Bob7 re: the concentrations — 0.1mg/mL to begin with a move to 0.01mg/mL later if needed to achieve smaller reductions.

 

In addition to asking your compounding pharmacist about concentrations, other important questions to ask include: What formulation would you use?  Has the formulation been potency and stability tested?  What does the formulation use as the drug source — regular tablets or the pure active drug substance (aka API)? Does the formulation produce a suspension or a solution?

 

Members have used a stability-tested formulation for a 0.1mg/mL Clonazepam Oral Suspension to taper (see Links below).  However, the formulation uses regular tablets as the drug source not the pure active drug substance (or API). Member experience suggests it is “accurate enough” but if you wish to achieve a higher degree of accuracy (i.e. the dose you measure is the dose you get), you may wish to ask your compounding pharmacist if s/he has access to a formulation for a true solution of clonazepam. 

 

See Links below for formulations for clonazepam solutions you could share with your compounding pharmacist. The Roche and Iraqi formulations would need to be modified to achieve a lower concentration but the formulation from Rosemont is in the right range (0.5mg/5mL =0.1mg/1mL).

 

If your compounding pharmacist does have access to a formulation for a true solution of clonazepam, I hope you will let us know.  Clonazepam is a challenging drug to taper because of its high potency and, at least in the US, lack of commercial dosage forms that support “small enough” reductions in dose. 

 

Links:

 

0.1mg/mL Clonazepam Oral Suspension

https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/-/media/nch/specialties/pharmacy/compounding-formulas/clonazepam-oral.ashx

 

Rivotril 2.5mg/mL Oral Solution (Roche)

https://www.nps.org.au/medicine-finder/rivotril-tablets

 

Iraqi Pharmaceutical Formula for 2.5mg/mL Clonazepam Oral Solution

https://www.iasj.net/iasj?func=fulltext&aId=114176

or http://jmracpc.uobaghdad.edu.iq/index.php/IJMRCP/article/view/79/71

 

Clonazepam Rosemont 0.5mg/5mL Oral Solution

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/6021/smpc

 

Edit: fixed broken link

 

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Hopefully someone can help with this question, I’ll also speak to my compound pharmacist, when you make a home solution of just your valium pill and water, how long does it last before it loses it’s effectiveness? Before it expires essentially, can I put it the fridge for a few days, how many days will it keep its strength?

 

Hello, WPWP. To our knowledge, homebrew liquids made with regular tablets and water have not been tested for potency (strength) or stability over time.  We also do not not know if these homebrew liquids are solutions, suspensions, a combination thereof, or something else.

 

Given the above, I suggest you regard your homebrew liquid as a “suspension/solution of unknown potency and stability.”  Shake the liquid well before using it.  Measure quickly.  If you store the liquid, protect it from light, heat, and evaporation and discard it after a short amount of time. Also, do not combine leftover liquid from an old batch with a new batch.

 

Regarding storage ... the Alliance for Benzodiazepine Best Practices — which has several pharmacists on its advisory board — suggests that homebrew suspensions made with a pharmaceutical-grade suspending vehicle should be used within 24 hours if stored at room temperature and within 3 days if refrigerated. Surviving Antidepressants — a peer support forum — suggests that homebrew liquids made with water should be stored in the refrigerator and used within 5 days.

 

FWIW, I made many of many doses 10 days in advance. I regularly did that over the years of tapering. I never had any issues that I noticed. Maybe my body just got "used" to the process. Heck, I think we can almost adapt to anything. I dissolved my 1m tablet in 2mL of vodka, added about 98mL of water, stirred, then rocked and rolled. Just a thought.

 

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Liberitas - absolutely I will ask the pharmacist. I was thinking - I will just call them sometime this week and discuss it with them.  That way I can report back here and also bring that info to the Pdoc appointment.  It’ll streamline the process..

 

Thank you all, very much!

 

Best,

Butterfly 🦋

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Hello again, CioCioSan1701. Smart you to contact your compounding pharmacist before your next pdoc appointment!  My experience is the right compounding pharmacist can be a valuable source of information and support for both patients and prescribers during benzodiazepine discontinuation. For example, my prescriber did not have much experience with compounding or symptom-based tapering but was willing to learn.  My compounding pharmacist taught both of us how to write the prescription correctly and helped us better understand the pharmacology of clonazepam as well as the pros/cons of diazepam substitution. She also taught me how to use an oral syringe properly and even offered to help me with the math needed to implement and systematically adjust a symptom-based taper plan.

 

Edit: Corrected typo in member name to ensure proper name redaction

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Libertas - wow what a valuable and knowledgeable pharmacist!  And what a smart prescriber you have. 

 

Thanks again for all the info - I’ll post again when I get answers from my pharmacy and probably also after I see my doc.  This all sounds so much more doable than trying to stick with the dry taper at low doses and I was not looking forward to creating my own suspension (hoping the pharmacy can do a solution) BUT it is clear it can be done by oneself so it is good to know that option remains viable as well.

 

Thank you all very much!

 

Butterfly 🦋

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my compound pharmacist said 14 days max if refrigerated but couldn’t guarantee it, some replied to me a few posts back because I had the same question, it’s on the page previous to this, he said about a day to 5 days roughly, id say it’s probably good for a few days
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I've been on Klonopin for twenty years at only one dose at night at 1.5mg currently for insomnia. When would I split the doses up considering I haven't had much experience with interdose w/d or should I stay at one? Will be a DMD at 6% every 14 days 2 1/2 years tentatively. Any feedback would be much appreciated.
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I've been on Klonopin for twenty years at only one dose at night at 1.5mg currently for insomnia. When would I split the doses up considering I haven't had much experience with interdose w/d or should I stay at one? Will be a DMD at 6% every 14 days 2 1/2 years tentatively. Any feedback would be much appreciated.

If your primary reason for taking the drug was insomnia I see no reason to split your dose.

 

I found that if I could get a good night's sleep I could handle the daytime withdrawal symptoms.

 

The only reason that I would split my dose is sometimes I take half when I went to bed and then the other half when I woke up 4 hours later to help me continue a good night's rest.

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I've been on Klonopin for twenty years at only one dose at night at 1.5mg currently for insomnia. When would I split the doses up considering I haven't had much experience with interdose w/d or should I stay at one? Will be a DMD at 6% every 14 days 2 1/2 years tentatively. Any feedback would be much appreciated.

If your primary reason for taking the drug was insomnia I see no reason to split your dose.

 

I found that if I could get a good night's sleep I could handle the daytime withdrawal symptoms.

 

The only reason that I would split my dose is sometimes I take half when I went to bed and then the other half when I woke up 4 hours later to help me continue a good night's rest.

 

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for your response. I know I can do this with all BB knowledge and wisdom.

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?
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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

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Wow thank you so much. It all looks very helpful. Can you explain the curve my brain is having a hard time computing all the info.
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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

I picked 6% because I’ve been on this medication for 20 years and want to remain functional as possible. My main issue when tapering is insomnia, and the last two nights have been not great. Now I’m thinking of splitting my dose at bed and at 3:00am instead of reducing my taper rate or holding.

 

So you can see it’s a very individual issues that are in constant flux with lots of flexibility and creativity to get through this. Sounds like you need to do what’s best for you, and use all the tools that others had success with. Godspeed.

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

I picked 6% because I’ve been on this medication for 20 years and want to remain functional as possible. My main issue when tapering is insomnia, and the last two nights have been not great. Now I’m thinking of splitting my dose at bed and at 3:00am instead of reducing my taper rate or holding.

 

So you can see it’s a very individual issues that are in constant flux with lots of flexibility and creativity to get through this. Sounds like you need to do what’s best for you, and use all the tools that others had success with. Godspeed.

 

So it recalculated 6% every two weeks a total 12% for the month. I have never readjusted like that every two weeks. I picked my daily rate and as I went on tapering through the month the % got bigger and bigger. I know the brain likes slow small changes so what I am doing isn’t working because I would taper at a rate of about 7.5% a month of my dose then 6 weeks in be at 9% because the dose went down as I tapered and the % went up. So then I would readjust my rate from 9% down to 6% and feel worse because of an abrupt change even though it needed to be done because I couldn’t keep tapering and let me taper into a even bigger % difference. Can you speak to how this curve and readjustment every two weeks works. It sounds like exactly what would be helpful to get me out of the cycle I just explained above.

 

Is this the rate you have been doing the whole time or did you play with it in the beginning?

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

Maybe consider doing a symptoms-based taper. I was doing tiny doses when I got low, so I did a little basic math along the way, but the real judge was symptoms. That revolutionized my taper. It was a brutal taper until I started basing everything on the symptoms. You'll get there any way you choose best!!

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

I picked 6% because I’ve been on this medication for 20 years and want to remain functional as possible. My main issue when tapering is insomnia, and the last two nights have been not great. Now I’m thinking of splitting my dose at bed and at 3:00am instead of reducing my taper rate or holding.

 

So you can see it’s a very individual issues that are in constant flux with lots of flexibility and creativity to get through this. Sounds like you need to do what’s best for you, and use all the tools that others had success with. Godspeed.

 

So it recalculated 6% every two weeks a total 12% for the month. I have never readjusted like that every two weeks. I picked my daily rate and as I went on tapering through the month the % got bigger and bigger. I know the brain likes slow small changes so what I am doing isn’t working because I would taper at a rate of about 7.5% a month of my dose then 6 weeks in be at 9% because the dose went down as I tapered and the % went up. So then I would readjust my rate from 9% down to 6% and feel worse because of an abrupt change even though it needed to be done because I couldn’t keep tapering and let me taper into a even bigger % difference. Can you speak to how this curve and readjustment every two weeks works. It sounds like exactly what would be helpful to get me out of the cycle I just explained above.

 

Is this the rate you have been doing the whole time or did you play with it in the beginning?

 

I would happy to explain how the taper generator works with in regards to the curve. So understand that this is percentage based, so every day the taper amount changes to your set percentage, mine is 6 percent so whatever the amount is its always 6 percent of that amount. The 14 days is more related to the time it takes to taper 6 percent, but this is separate from the daily percentage adjustment of the new amount.

 

The great thing is the link I gave you does all the math down to 0. Remember that if your feeling s/x then you can slow down and recalculate a lower percentage any time. Godspeed.

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

I picked 6% because I’ve been on this medication for 20 years and want to remain functional as possible. My main issue when tapering is insomnia, and the last two nights have been not great. Now I’m thinking of splitting my dose at bed and at 3:00am instead of reducing my taper rate or holding.

 

So you can see it’s a very individual issues that are in constant flux with lots of flexibility and creativity to get through this. Sounds like you need to do what’s best for you, and use all the tools that others had success with. Godspeed.

 

So it recalculated 6% every two weeks a total 12% for the month. I have never readjusted like that every two weeks. I picked my daily rate and as I went on tapering through the month the % got bigger and bigger. I know the brain likes slow small changes so what I am doing isn’t working because I would taper at a rate of about 7.5% a month of my dose then 6 weeks in be at 9% because the dose went down as I tapered and the % went up. So then I would readjust my rate from 9% down to 6% and feel worse because of an abrupt change even though it needed to be done because I couldn’t keep tapering and let me taper into a even bigger % difference. Can you speak to how this curve and readjustment every two weeks works. It sounds like exactly what would be helpful to get me out of the cycle I just explained above.

 

Is this the rate you have been doing the whole time or did you play with it in the beginning?

 

I would happy to explain how the taper generator works with in regards to the curve. So understand that this is percentage based, so every day the taper amount changes to your set percentage, mine is 6 percent so whatever the amount is its always 6 percent of that amount. The 14 days is more related to the time it takes to taper 6 percent, but this is separate from the daily percentage adjustment of the new amount.

 

The great thing is the link I gave you does all the math down to 0. Remember that if your feeling s/x then you can slow down and recalculate a lower percentage any time. Godspeed.

 

Thank you so would that mean your monthly taper rate is still 6% or is 12% for 30 day time period?

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I really like this curve conversion. My scale uses the 4th number, is there anyway to have the chart take that into account? If not if I do the math myself is it just a matter of recalculated 2.5% of my rate every two weeks? If I want  to start tapering about 5% a month? Thank you everyone for your help.
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I really like this curve conversion. My scale uses the 4th number, is there anyway to have the chart take that into account? If not if I do the math myself is it just a matter of recalculated 2.5% of my rate every two weeks? If I want  to start tapering about 5% a month? Thank you everyone for your help.

 

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

Here’s the link to the direct taper that you can use a your scale and enter your pill weigh. You only have to calculate your total dose once.

 

This has to be done through these instructions to get the curve rather then a straight line. This link explains everything. http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

Godspeed to you!

 

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Hello MT group. Looking for similar stories where you had to slow your daily rate once you got lower in the taper. My rate got away from me to about 13% at 2mg and it is unbearable. Thinking of slowing to about 5% a month or so. Anyone car  to share a similar experience?

 

This link shows step by step how to use a dry or liquid taper generator

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=254653.5#post_generator

 

You would want to use this tool to generate a curve that tappers a constant percentage all the way to your jump.

http://benzo.alwaysdata.net/direct/directForm.php

 

This is what the curve looks like.

http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1TimqNpPLtIKuj5SU5uFvMXah-twOQoYW

 

Please feel free to ask any questions. Godspeed.

 

This is all really great info. Just to be sure I have it correct on your curve you have it set for 6% of each new dose and it calculates it all the way down?

 

Yes exactly right, it’s a game changer!

 

I still don’t really compute my brain is overwhelmed but I will have my husband look at this. I appreciate it so much. How did you decided on 6% every two weeks? By my record I was good around 7.5-9% a month but much over that I became non functional. I did try to slow to 6% once when I was at about 9 and it made me worse. The meds give me a toxic sick stimulating effect so I can’t go to slow either. Do you just pick a rate for two weeks do it and see how you feel then adjust up or down? Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

Maybe consider doing a symptoms-based taper. I was doing tiny doses when I got low, so I did a little basic math along the way, but the real judge was symptoms. That revolutionized my taper. It was a brutal taper until I started basing everything on the symptoms. You'll get there any way you choose best!!

Hi Ultra-

What is you method for symptoms based taper? Do you pick a daily rate and not percentage and then lower the daily rate if you have more symptoms? How often are you changing the rate? Thanks!

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This may have been asked here before but do those doing the DMT feel worse holding? It’s like my brain gets used to the slow reductions and holding the dose becomes so painfully , toxic sick. I imagine cut and hold people don’t have the same response.
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