Author Topic: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group  (Read 421368 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2015, 10:59:10 am »
Hi [...]! A wonderful progress!!! I like your method a lot! So clever!  :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 01:07:06 pm »

Example:  Say you are taking a 1mg pill a day. You want to taper at a rate of 10% or 0.1 mg every 2 weeks.  Instead of reducing 10% or 0.1mg every 14 days.  You simple reduce at a rate of 0.714% or 0.007 mg a day. 

In the example, you are reducing at the same rate but [...] taking a cut everyday. 

Hi [...] and all,

Good thread.

I'm doing micro taper dry cutting of Klonopin with scale. And the following pertains to that.

I think that using a 10% cut rate over 14 days works for daily micro tapering at higher daily dosages— up to a point. Eventually, .007 mg per day [...] too much.

Many people, myself included, hit the wall around .60 to .50 mg daily dose. Thereafter, the consistent daily cut [...] to be smaller because the percentage rate of taper [...] increasing—or else we'd never get off. At that point .0029 mg [...] generally accepted to be a more reasonable daily cut, equal to .001 g, the lowest our scale can measure. Some people cut .001 g daily for 10 out of 14 days, or any variation that works. This [...] based on the typical average weight of .170 g for a .50 mg Klonopin pill. If you were using a larger sized pill, say 1 mg, that .001 g cut [...] twice as potent. One must calculate a taper based on gram weight average for the pill[...] they are using.

I cannot tolerate daily cutting, but cut every other day. And that's one of the key benefits of MT: adjust as you go to make for a tolerable taper. There's so much more that can be said about MT. I'll see what others have to say. But it gave me my life back. Instead of being bedridden, I went to being 70% functional. More windows, less waves.

Liquid titration allows even more finely-tuned cuts, but I prefer not to deal with liquid and refrigeration issues. I'm also lactose intolerant and that's another hurdle I didn't want to get over, as alcohol in even the tiniest amounts sends my CNS whirling. But it works for many.

[...] everyone find what works best for them, and heal!
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 01:48:19 pm »
Hi [...]  :smitten:

Congratulations on your progress!

adjust as you go to make for a tolerable taper.

Exactly!! MT allows for a lot of flexibility, hence keeping symptoms under control  :thumbsup:

Being on a high-dose still, I am taking two 0.5mg pills plus the cut piece of another 0.5 tablet per dose. I don't know though how this will work out when I get close to 2mg for instance, the "cut piece" will be so tiny... but I don't want to make a "step" as [...] calls it.
Same dilemma applies to people getting off their benzo with dry cutting I guess.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Good Luck with your tapers! And be well!
[...] xx 
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2015, 02:36:21 pm »
I am using the micro taper - dry cutting .001 every day off my pill weight of klonopin of .172.  I have not had to hold at all for the last few weeks - I [...] cut the .001 every day.  If the anxiety/GI issues ramp up I will slow it down.   I did cut and hold until I was down to around .625 mg of klonopin and hit a brick wall - bed ridden and in agony.  Started the daily cutting and still had many s/x but they were bearable
(and I was doing the holds as well) but it allowed me to keep cutting, where the cut and hold was agony.  Now my body seems to have adjusted to the daily cuts.   I thank everyone here who did the math for me and told me how to do it - [...], [...], [...] and Ninja.  Though we are all so different I think the slow, steady daily taper helps our bodies adjust and knowing that you can adjust day to day takes the worry out of the 'cut' day and the 'hit' day.  I am glad you started this support group.
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2015, 02:47:15 pm »

Being on a high-dose still, I am taking two 0.5mg pills plus the cut piece of another 0.5 tablet per dose. I don't know though how this will work out when I get close to 2mg for instance, the "cut piece" will be so tiny... but I don't want to make a "step" as [...] calls it.

Same dilemma applies to people getting off their benzo with dry cutting I guess.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Hey [...]!

There's a solution for avoiding that tiny piece of pill. Hopefully you have saved extra pieces of pill in an airtight container. [...] put a total of 2.0 mg pieces—or whatever you [...] the dose to be—into the scale, measuring by grams. Folks should know if they don't already, the smaller the whole pill increment, the larger the pieces will be. This [...] a good thing.

Having said that....you are right: by the time we walk off our tapers, that last piece of pill [...] going to be [...] [...]. That too can be somewhat solved by placing the 10 g weight in the pan and adding the chip. Otherwise, it might not even register on the scale. Some people might choose to switch to titration at this point. But I've seen that this [...] often where bravery kicks in, and someone jumps from their micro ledge.

Good to hear from ya, and best wishes on the way down!

[...]
 :smitten:

P.s. I also use gel caps to hold the total dose of chips.
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2015, 02:48:00 pm »
Thanks [...], [...], & Kgirl!

Love all your thoughts on the daily cutting method.  Great positive feedback on the process.

Stay strong!
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2015, 09:01:31 pm »
[...],

Good job setting up this group.  I cut to 0.875 mg K and then couldn't tolerate any further cuts until I found the titration method.  I am using the water titration method described on the benzosupport.org site and also the Excel spreadsheet from that site that allows a person to easily customize a daily titration schedule.  I believe one of the keys to success with titration [...] to start at a low taper rate to ensure you adjust to the liquid and can handle the rate.  Once a person has established that the withdrawal symptoms are tolerable at a low taper rate they can experiment with a faster rate.  I noticed that when I switched to liquid my body experienced that as a significant cut and the same was true each time I increased my taper rate.  My body did adjust to liquid and faster taper rates over a 1-2 week period. 
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2015, 11:34:54 pm »
can I asked a much needed question? Ive been reading so much info and trying to take it in.

I tapered too fast and now my head [...] so panicky, it's hard to comprehend stuff.

can someone tell me, in their opinion, how often one should dose a short acting benzo like Ativan, to avoid interdose withdrawls.

I am doing to switch over to microtapering, but I wanted to know about how often to dose Ativan daily. ty so much.
 :thumbsup:
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2015, 11:57:59 pm »
[...],

Good job setting up this group.  I cut to 0.875 mg K and then couldn't tolerate any further cuts until I found the titration method.  I am using the water titration method described on the benzosupport.org site and also the Excel spreadsheet from that site that allows a person to easily customize a daily titration schedule. I believe one of the keys to success with titration [...] to start at a low taper rate to ensure you adjust to the liquid and can handle the rate.  Once a person has established that the withdrawal symptoms are tolerable at a low taper rate they can experiment with a faster rate.  I noticed that when I switched to liquid my body experienced that as a significant cut and the same was true each time I increased my taper rate.  My body did adjust to liquid and faster taper rates over a 1-2 week period. 

Hey Ben and welcome to the group,  Thanks for sharing your experience with daily tapering!

can I asked a much needed question? Ive been reading so much info and trying to take it in.

I tapered too fast and now my head [...] so panicky, it's hard to comprehend stuff.

can someone tell me, in their opinion, how often one should dose a short acting benzo like Ativan, to avoid interdose withdrawls.

I am doing to switch over to microtapering, but I wanted to know about how often to dose Ativan daily. ty so much.
 :thumbsup:

 Welcome to the group!  You know my opinion already, which [...] 4 times a day.  Im sure you will get more feedback :)

Stay Strong!
[...]
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[Buddie]

Re: Daily Micro-Tapering Support Group
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2015, 12:07:09 am »
can I asked a much needed question? Ive been reading so much info and trying to take it in.

I tapered too fast and now my head [...] so panicky, it's hard to comprehend stuff.

can someone tell me, in their opinion, how often one should dose a short acting benzo like Ativan, to avoid interdose withdrawls.

I am doing to switch over to microtapering, but I wanted to know about how often to dose Ativan daily. ty so much.
 :thumbsup:

I used to dose my Ativan 4 x a day.
To avoid interdose Wd.

The panicky feeling will go away again. Keep telling yourself it's chemical. And hat the wave will pass again. It feels awful. And it's easy to get lost in it. So try and distract yourself as good as you can.
I had a lot,of panic yesterday. A lot!
It will pass again once your body has processed the cut and yiur [...] has caught up.

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