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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2015, 01:52:11 am »
15 years of Celexa  :o

I felt a slump a few years ago and the pdoc gave me Prozac to "jump start" me again.  One year, 8 different AD's, multiple hospital visits, serotonin syndrome, suicidal feelings .  Around this time last year I started to finally pull out of the mess.

I'm still on 10 mg of Celexa .

For me personally, tapering (and in some cases CT due to serotonin syndrome) from AD's has been MUCH worse than tapering from Clon.  Since my taper from Clon started earlier this month, on most days I feel BETTER and a sense of control over my life again. 

AD withdrawal left me fatigued, depressed beyond belief, suicidal, completely depleted.  Biggest mistake I ever made was consenting to taking that first pill of Celexa many years ago.  It never helped the anxiety and PMS like irritability I had prior to taking it and if anything made things worse.

I feel robbed of 15 years.  No matter how bad the future anxiety or any other symptoms I'd rather swallow fire than take an AD again. 

I always thought going off the benzo would be worse than going off the AD so I saved the benzo for last, thinking it would help me sleep at night during AD WD.  Benzo WD for me has been mild discomfort compared to AD's  . 
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2015, 03:26:59 am »
[...] - it's amazing how different we all are isn't it? I find benzo's soooo much worse then SSRI w/d. Did you do rapid tapers with your SSRI?

I tried 3 doctor advised tapers that were WAY too fast and left me a mess. Once I started tapering 10% a month I was mostly okay. I was moody,overly sensitive and had bouts of DP/DR but I was fully fully functional (work, parenting, sports, etc). Benzo w/d on the other hand is taking all that I've got.

Was the serotonin syndrome because Prozac was added with the Celexa? I don't know too much about it.

- [...]


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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2015, 06:09:58 am »
serotonin syndrome is pretty unpleasant. It was a relief when it went after cutting the celexa - although I'm still on 10mg. I can see how it would spiral out of control easily if the taper was rapid and then going back on. That was the mistake I made: I'd tapered to 10, thought nah I should stick at 15 but by then 15 equalled serotonin syndrome. The bouncing back and forth between depressed and serotonin syndrome would surely suck hard. I'm hoping to do my SSRI taper slow enough that I never have to bounce back up again. In fact even if I'm depressed I wont be risking going up after experiencing the serotonin syndrome.
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2015, 08:14:14 am »
What was your experience?


Which withdrawal did you find more difficult?

Paxil was great for me when I was around 19. It lifted me out of the fog. I would be on it a few years and quit C/T to try to live without the aid of an AD. The C/T was fine, just some electrical shocks when I moved my eyes to fast, but this faded within a few weeks.

Each time I restarted my AD I always noticed I became more disciplined in my lifestyle choices. I would go to bed on time, I would eat better and I wouldn't be as impulsive in regards to quick pleasures ... ie, porn/masturbation, over-eating, just basically over indulging in everything.

However, I noticed a few times I went into a manic state. It felt as though I was propelled by an invisible force ... I felt invincible, super confident and would talk extra fast and act strange ... this happened maybe 3 or 4 times and usually lasted 4-5 hours. At the time I didn't know what it was, all I knew was I felt rather good.

The one big mistake I made with the AD was staying on it too long and not addressing the root causes of my dep/anxiety ... the root cause was my lifestyle choices, I know this now because each time I went off the AD I would run my body down over a period of 6-8 months where I was eventually withdrawn again and worn down.

An AD is great short-term in my opinion, but the changes in the brain it makes long term aren't well known. Heck, I was told I could take this AD for life and have no repercussions. Boy, was that bad advice I was given. I guess the medical field thought they were really onto something. Just like they were onto something with Valium and Phenabarb in the 60's and 70's !!!

My mind/body/spirit finally snapped after about 8 years of SSRI use of constantly being on a slight 'go' state. At the time I didn't know what was causing this 'out of body' feeling so again I went to the doctor. Got prescribed a benzo because the doctors didn't know what else to do.

This only put me further out. My restlessness became extreme restlessness. My cognitive function, ie, memory retention became poor.

Not sure exactly what led up to me deciding to withdraw from these drugs this time, I guess I was ignorant as to my faith in the medical field. I didn't know anything about how the brain worked, I didn't correlate the medication with my worsening symptoms. I figured it was something catastrophic like a stroke, diabetes or heart failure, but nothing was showing up on tests.

In the end. Benzo's and AD's both suck in the long term, and I would argue they suck short term ... but can help some people get over a hump.

Next time I run into trouble I will go to a naturopath/holistic route unless I am bleeding out, broken limb etc.

AD's also kill my sex drive, which can be a good thing as I was probably overindulging in that area which only caused me to feel more run down.

I also had undiagnosed celiac so my diet was causing many issues in my GI tract and [...] of the body that wasn't being addressed.

Apparently these AD's cause issues with the HPA axis long term. Also with the 'go' feeling and the extra confidence, people find confidence to attempt suicide. There really isn't any upside to these pills [...] back.

Benzo w/d is definitely harder now that I've been at it for 3 months. I can stop and start AD's w/o issue, but with my new knowledge and awakening on health/body/mind I can safely move forward without these unnatural chemicals and heal in the proper way!
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2015, 10:57:55 am »
Hi all

I feel like I'm coming close to the end of my benzo taper and my mind goes to the impending SSRI taper. I wouldn't be fussed except I'm working to a timeline.
I'm 36 and my biological clock is ticking.

Anyone want to chuck at me some thoughts about a fast but not overly dangerous SSRI taper? I didn't like the wd effects when I dropped from 20-10mg of celexa but at least they were gone after a few months and they didn't have the omnipresent feeling of benzo wd.

I feel like I want to try 10% a week. Am I crazy or risk it? Thoughts ..  ;D
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2015, 11:57:53 am »
Like [...] said, any and all SSRis caused me to be manic. I must have tried six of them in the past, pre benzo days. I just couldn't handle that horrible anxiety they caused me so I just C/T them w/o my doctor's permission. My anxiety just turned back into my baseline and didn't feel any affects from those C/Ts so that why she put me on benzos. For my anxiety. If I didn't develop even more anxiety I probably would have stayed on them because I just loved that manic feeling.

[...]
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2015, 07:32:07 pm »
You and me both, [...]. I've spent sometime on the Surving Antidepressants forum and that's a wealth of knowledge over there. Have you visited the site?

I know for me that when I did fast tapers (3-6 months) they always ended badly and the w/d sx for me were eerily similar to benzo's w/d. When I finally got with the program and tapered 10% a month I was fine. You probably don't need to go that slow but I had no time table.

I felt reasonably well throughout, but subsequently given Ativan to help with the break through panic when I had tapered from 40mg to 30mg in 1 day (prior to starting the 10% taper) :idiot:

FWIW, I don't think 10% a week is "too" fast. That is within the recommended range. If it turns out to fast, then you can pull back the reigns. Right?

Also, as my husband often reminds me.....if we can get through benzo withdrawal than SSRI withdrawal will be a cake-walk.

 :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2015, 10:21:49 pm »
You and me both, [...]. I've spent sometime on the Surving Antidepressants forum and that's a wealth of knowledge over there. Have you visited the site?

I know for me that when I did fast tapers (3-6 months) they always ended badly and the w/d sx for me were eerily similar to benzo's w/d. When I finally got with the program and tapered 10% a month I was fine. You probably don't need to go that slow but I had no time table.

I felt reasonably well throughout, but subsequently given Ativan to help with the break through panic when I had tapered from 40mg to 30mg in 1 day (prior to starting the 10% taper) :idiot:

FWIW, I don't think 10% a week is "too" fast. That is within the recommended range. If it turns out to fast, then you can pull back the reigns. Right?

Also, as my husband often reminds me.....if we can get through benzo withdrawal than SSRI withdrawal will be a cake-walk.

 :smitten:

I've been on survivingantidepressants, but they tend to be so militant about the 10% a month thing. I get it. I get they are doing harm minimisation and in any other situation I would do 10% a month but I haven't got the time. And maybe it will end badly so my rushing will be pointless but I'm not sure I shouldn't at least try. I did get withdrawal effects from the SSRI when I dropped from 20/15 - 10mg. And they were really pretty unpleasant. But they did pass in a month or two.
So yes I almost posted on survivingantidepressants last  night but I held off because I was pretty sure I'd get told just to do 10% a month.
Even 6 month tapers knocked you huh?
Damn
 :-[
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2015, 10:30:51 pm »
Kid when you did get hit from the withdrawal effects of a fasterish taper did you ever hold out for a while to see if it would go?
If yes, how long did you try to wait it out?

Hi [...]  :)
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[Buddie]

Re: SSRI support group - tapering while on benzo's or after recovery
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2015, 02:16:19 am »
Hey [...] - yes, even 6 month tapers took me out and shook me up quite a bit. I will say though, when I dropped from 40mg to 30mg I was pretty rough for about 2 months then I levelled out, if I'm remembering correctly. If I hadn't of just moved I'd go check my journals for you (I have no clue where they are).

What about 10% every two weeks and see how it goes? It so hard to say. I wish I had a crystal ball for you, Smifferton  :smitten:
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