Author Topic: Menopause/Hormonal Support  (Read 93051 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1440 on: April 26, 2021, 04:44:52 pm »
[...], I was just thinking about you and the hrt. Are you still planning to get off progesterone?

I know you said you have liquid capsules. I was wondering if you could empty the capsule into another liquid like olive oil (for example - 10ml olive oil with one capsule) then taper it slowly using a liquid syringe) similar to liquid benzo tapering but with oil (since progesterone is usually in oil). Just a thought. I [...] you are doing well.
Yes, I am, once I get off the [...].
Thank you for the olive oil and capsules idea. If I could do it that way it would be good,
I wouldn't know how to get all of the white fluid out of the capsules, I opened one, that is how I know it is filled with white fluid. I'd have to get all of the fluid out of the capsule.
Also, I am not sure how I would dissolve the outer "case" for want of a better word.
I dissolved my [...] pill in milk, but I am not sure how that outer "case" would dissolve. It would be nice to think it would dissolve in olive oil, that would make life easier, I am not sure if it would though.
Thank you for thinking about me, it is lovely to know someone is thinking of me.
 :smitten:
I am on liquid filled capsules though, so I don't know, right now, how I am going to do it, as NHS England do not prescribe the cream, which is not licensed here in the UK.
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[Buddie]

Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1441 on: April 26, 2021, 05:27:57 pm »
That does sound challenging. Most capsules are some sort of gelatin, so should dissolve over time in water. I am wondering about some sort of emulsion for you. Typical emulsions are things like mayonnaise (I know - kind of weird and maybe gross).

The problem that you will run into with stopping progesterone is two-fold. First, progesterone is currently contributing to your neurosteroid production. This is part of your natural GABAergic system. When you lower it, you might feel a bit worse. Second, is withdrawal. This is usually a five day process of some misery, but with benzo injury this is less certain. Hence the need for slow tapering. Cream wouldn't help because it won't contribute to neurosteroid production, not that it matters since you can't get it.

Flumazenil would help with this, but I am not sure you can get oral or topical formulations in England.

Anyway, just know I am thinking of you!
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[Buddie]

Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1442 on: April 26, 2021, 11:30:55 pm »
That does sound challenging. Most capsules are some sort of gelatin, so should dissolve over time in water. I am wondering about some sort of emulsion for you. Typical emulsions are things like mayonnaise (I know - kind of weird and maybe gross).

The problem that you will run into with stopping progesterone is two-fold. First, progesterone is currently contributing to your neurosteroid production. This is part of your natural GABAergic system. When you lower it, you might feel a bit worse. Second, is withdrawal. This is usually a five day process of some misery, but with benzo injury this is less certain. Hence the need for slow tapering. Cream wouldn't help because it won't contribute to neurosteroid production, not that it matters since you can't get it.

Flumazenil would help with this, but I am not sure you can get oral or topical formulations in England.

Anyway, just know I am thinking of you!
I'd like to successfully navigate the challenge.
I won't lie, I have been having the pants scared off me by experiences on here with progesterone.
Water might dissolve them but it wont dissolve the gunk inside, I will have to find a way around this.
I'm a vegan so that complicates things.

While I know that some ladies have had problems with GABA, alloprega-whatsit, I [...] that not all do.

Neurosteroid is a scary word I will have to rise up against and keep myself safe while coming off, somehow in the future.

Worrying about it now has caused fear of death 200mg progesterone big dose.
Five days doesn't sound so bad, so long as the misery means I can still function.

I can't get flumazenil in England, that would put me in a state of withdrawal.

Maybe I can go on a progesterone pill which I can titrate by dissolving?
Something to think of in the future, it makes me sh1t my pants to think of it right now, like a massive  cold turkey equivalent, so, right now, I must concentrate on getting off the [...] then worry about the Proggy when the time comes.


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[Buddie]

Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1443 on: May 20, 2021, 11:24:08 pm »
I'd appreciate any insights or feedback on this—
I'm 42 and 25 months off Klonopin. During the past couple years of tapering/withdrawal, my cycles have been getting a bit shorter (24-27 days on average) and my PMS is horrible, plus my recovery symptoms intensify during this time, especially insomnia, fogginess, and electricity. I feel mostly recovered the rest of the month. I saw a hormonal specialist today who says I'm perimenopausal and prescribed Vivelle Dot 0.05mg estrogen patches to wear during my period (no progesterone). I'm open to trying since the insomnia for 1-2 weeks around my period is a nightmare, but of course I'm nervous about it since my body is still so sensitive. Has anyone used this patch or have any thoughts about taking estrogen during recovery? Could this *just* be recovery and not a hormonal issue, and I shouldn't rush to try the patch? Any advice is appreciated!

Thanks!
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Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1444 on: May 30, 2021, 05:33:39 am »
Hi [...], have you had your hormone levels checked during the luteal phase (days 19-21 are best)? Perimenopausal women are often high in estrogen (I am perimenopausal and older than you - my estrogen is quite high during the luteal phase). It is supposed to be low during menstruation, so adding estrogen might be problematic at that time. You can also join us on the menstrual support group :-)
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Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1445 on: June 09, 2021, 04:58:03 pm »
[...] and others: estrogen without progesterone is a recipe for uterine cancer. It happened to me. I had a hysterectomy and recovered, but you don't want to take that chance. Look it up. It is well documented that you should not take estrogen without progesterone.
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[Buddie]

Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1446 on: June 09, 2021, 07:39:25 pm »
[...], this is a great point - you are absolutely correct, it is a risk.

Progesterone is tricky due to the ups and downs of neurosteroids when using it. It may be ok with an extended release oral formula. My brain unfortunately hates it.
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Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1447 on: June 12, 2021, 10:19:58 pm »
Question about Estrogen and Benzos

Hi friends. I have a question about estrogen and [...]. I am 61 and recently developed bladder pain. My doctors think i have developed Interstitital Cystitis. Until recently i have been taking estrogen (vagifem) which i started before my taper off [...]. Unfortunately, I recently realized the vagifem pill was not dissolving because my vagina is so dry. I have vaginal atrophy. My doctor put me on compounded estrogen instead and the bladder issues went away within a few days. The problem is my withdrawals symptoms became severe during this period. I am on hold right now so the estrogen is the only explanation for the sudden withdrawal symptoms. I've also read that estrogen can do this.
Has anyone gone through this? I am very scared that my hormonal symptoms are going to get worse and worse. I've ended up in the hospital for these UTI like symptoms in the past and I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. It's going to take me a few years to get off of [...] and I fear what will happen to me hormonally. It seems so many medications interfere with benzos.
Thank you so much for listening. I would love to know if any of you have experienced this and if so, did you eventually adjust to the estrogen and stop having withdrawal symptoms?
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[Buddie]

Progesterone
« Reply #1448 on: August 27, 2021, 02:30:10 am »
My naturopath rx’ed me progesterone.  I’m terrified take it.  Anyone have experience with it? Thought about buying wild yam cream instead. 
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Re: Menopause/Hormonal Support
« Reply #1449 on: September 04, 2021, 04:47:53 pm »
I had a horrible time with progesterone, but i was in acute when I took it, and shouldn't have taken anything during that time. It gave me suicidal thoughts. When I stopped taking progesterone, the thoughts went away, so it was pretty powerful and overwhelmed my system. I talked to my gyno the other day and she said it wasn't a normal thing to prescribe progesterone all by itself. I'm not sure if other people take it by itself here?

I am several years post-menopausal and am suffering from vaginal atrophy now, but I am too sensitive to chemicals, hormones, supplements, etc, to take anything, so she told me about a product called Revaree, which is a hyaluronic insert to combat dryness. It is out for delivery today, so I will try it soon. (I can report results if anyone is curious).

Not sure if anyone else has this problem with dryness and chemical sensitivity?
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