Vodka or Milk? Help with plan prep.

[[Buddie]]

Hi all, sorry there seems to be tons of posts to sort through.

So I am planning on crushing my pills and doing this liquid taper method.

Is there any benefit to using milk or vodka and water? Such as if I make a batch in milk and it has a couple days worth of dosage in it, will it damage the Valium in any way? Or is it better to use the vodka?

I seem to be down to somewhere around 1mg which I can manage to get through, I would like to reduce more accurately and gradually maybe 0.1mg every week or two.


So I will be using 2mg valium tablets, so I crush that up and add to 100ml of milk and that will give me 0.02mg/ml correct? So 5ml would be 0.1mg.

How would I go about using the vodka solution over the milk if there is any benefit to it, such as it not going bad after mixed. How much Vodka would I use to dilute a 2mg pill?

Thanks so much!

[[Buddie]]

Hi all, sorry there seems to be tons of posts to sort through.

So I am planning on crushing my pills and doing this liquid taper method.

Is there any benefit to using milk or vodka and water? Such as if I make a batch in milk and it has a couple days worth of dosage in it, will it damage the Valium in any way? Or is it better to use the vodka?

I seem to be down to somewhere around 1mg which I can manage to get through, I would like to reduce more accurately and gradually maybe 0.1mg every week or two.


So I will be using 2mg valium tablets, so I crush that up and add to 100ml of milk and that will give me 0.02mg/ml correct? So 5ml would be 0.1mg.

How would I go about using the vodka solution over the milk if there is any benefit to it, such as it not going bad after mixed. How much Vodka would I use to dilute a 2mg pill?

Thanks so much!

Whichever method you use, there is no change to the potency, efficacy, etc, of the benzo.  In either case, the only change to the benzo itself is from a dry solid to a uniformly distributed liquid.

And in either case, crushing usually isn't required.  Your tablet will probably just break down/decosntruct in the liquid, and the benzo will go into solution.

Either method will work, but milk obviously has some limitations due to perishability and transportability.  The vodka solution also offers some protection against bacterial contamination.

There really are no limitations on the concentration ratio (mgs/ml), but a ratio of either .1mg/ml/, or .01mg/ml really eliminates any math (just move the decimal), and makes planning and dose scheduling much easier.

[[Buddie]]

Hi all, sorry there seems to be tons of posts to sort through.

So I am planning on crushing my pills and doing this liquid taper method.

Is there any benefit to using milk or vodka and water? Such as if I make a batch in milk and it has a couple days worth of dosage in it, will it damage the Valium in any way? Or is it better to use the vodka?

I seem to be down to somewhere around 1mg which I can manage to get through, I would like to reduce more accurately and gradually maybe 0.1mg every week or two.


So I will be using 2mg valium tablets, so I crush that up and add to 100ml of milk and that will give me 0.02mg/ml correct? So 5ml would be 0.1mg.

How would I go about using the vodka solution over the milk if there is any benefit to it, such as it not going bad after mixed. How much Vodka would I use to dilute a 2mg pill?

Thanks so much!

Whichever method you use, there is no change to the potency, efficacy, etc, of the benzo.  In either case, the only change to the benzo itself is from a dry solid to a uniformly distributed liquid.

And in either case, crushing usually isn't required.  Your tablet will probably just break down/decosntruct in the liquid, and the benzo will go into solution.

Either method will work, but milk obviously has some limitations due to perishability and transportability.  The vodka solution also offers some protection against bacterial contamination.

There really are no limitations on the concentration ratio (mgs/ml), but a ratio of either .1mg/ml/, or .01mg/ml really eliminates any math (just move the decimal), and makes planning and dose scheduling much easier.

Thank you, with the taper I realize it's what I can tolerate, if I am starting around 1mg to 1.25mg for my taper how much can I cut a week or every two weeks? I hear it's 10 percent but those seem like really small cuts being so low already. The Ashton guide all seem to jump at 1mg I know that's not definitive  by looking at others signatures and stories but any suggestions would be great. Thanks!

[[Buddie]]

Hi all, sorry there seems to be tons of posts to sort through.

So I am planning on crushing my pills and doing this liquid taper method.

Is there any benefit to using milk or vodka and water? Such as if I make a batch in milk and it has a couple days worth of dosage in it, will it damage the Valium in any way? Or is it better to use the vodka?

I seem to be down to somewhere around 1mg which I can manage to get through, I would like to reduce more accurately and gradually maybe 0.1mg every week or two.


So I will be using 2mg valium tablets, so I crush that up and add to 100ml of milk and that will give me 0.02mg/ml correct? So 5ml would be 0.1mg.

How would I go about using the vodka solution over the milk if there is any benefit to it, such as it not going bad after mixed. How much Vodka would I use to dilute a 2mg pill?

Thanks so much!

Whichever method you use, there is no change to the potency, efficacy, etc, of the benzo.  In either case, the only change to the benzo itself is from a dry solid to a uniformly distributed liquid.

And in either case, crushing usually isn't required.  Your tablet will probably just break down/decosntruct in the liquid, and the benzo will go into solution.

Either method will work, but milk obviously has some limitations due to perishability and transportability.  The vodka solution also offers some protection against bacterial contamination.

There really are no limitations on the concentration ratio (mgs/ml), but a ratio of either .1mg/ml/, or .01mg/ml really eliminates any math (just move the decimal), and makes planning and dose scheduling much easier.

Thank you, with the taper I realize it's what I can tolerate, if I am starting around 1mg to 1.25mg for my taper how much can I cut a week or every two weeks? I hear it's 10 percent but those seem like really small cuts being so low already. The Ashton guide all seem to jump at 1mg I know that's not definitive  by looking at others signatures and stories but any suggestions would be great. Thanks!

A fairly conservative starting point is about 5%/14 days.  You can easily change your plan depending on how that goes.

[[Buddie]]

Thank you for your help!

[[Buddie]]

Hi [...], question in regards to how much vodka is required before mixing with water.

If I dissolve a 5mg tablet in 5ml of vodka then mix 495 ml of water, is the amount of vodka I used adequate? Or do I need to use more vodka to ensure a more consistent dissolving of the tablet.

Thanks.

[[Buddie]]

Hi [...], question in regards to how much vodka is required before mixing with water.

If I dissolve a 5mg tablet in 5ml of vodka then mix 495 ml of water, is the amount of vodka I used adequate? Or do I need to use more vodka to ensure a more consistent dissolving of the tablet.

Thanks.

You need 2mls of vodka for each mg of diazepam.  So a 5mg tablet will require 10mls of vodka.


You can make a .01mg =1ml solution (5mg + 10ml vodka + 490 mls water) if you choose, but there really is no need to add that much water.  The general recommendation is a .1mg=1ml solution (5mg + 10ml vodka + 40mls water)

[[Buddie]]

I had only used 5ml of vodka for 5mg batch that I made last night, did I botch the dose or should I be okay with it?

Thanks

[[Buddie]]

I had only used 5ml of vodka for 5mg batch that I made last night, did I botch the dose or should I be okay with it?

Thanks

If you have enough available tablets, I would make another batch.  Or, just add another 5ml to this batch.

[[Buddie]]

Hi all, sorry there seems to be tons of posts to sort through.

So I am planning on crushing my pills and doing this liquid taper method.

Is there any benefit to using milk or vodka and water? Such as if I make a batch in milk and it has a couple days worth of dosage in it, will it damage the Valium in any way? Or is it better to use the vodka?

I seem to be down to somewhere around 1mg which I can manage to get through, I would like to reduce more accurately and gradually maybe 0.1mg every week or two.

So I will be using 2mg valium tablets, so I crush that up and add to 100ml of milk and that will give me 0.02mg/ml correct? So 5ml would be 0.1mg.

How would I go about using the vodka solution over the milk if there is any benefit to it, such as it not going bad after mixed. How much Vodka would I use to dilute a 2mg pill?

Thanks so much!

Whichever method you use, there is no change to the potency, efficacy, etc, of the benzo.  In either case, the only change to the benzo itself is from a dry solid to a uniformly distributed liquid.

And in either case, crushing usually isn't required.  Your tablet will probably just break down/decosntruct in the liquid, and the benzo will go into solution.

Either method will work, but milk obviously has some limitations due to perishability and transportability.  The vodka solution also offers some protection against bacterial contamination.

There really are no limitations on the concentration ratio (mgs/ml), but a ratio of either .1mg/ml/, or .01mg/ml really eliminates any math (just move the decimal), and makes planning and dose scheduling much easier.

Hi all,

I refer you to this thread where I post about some of the issues (and unknowns) surrounding home titration:

http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=230979.0

By the way, if you happen to notice me disproportionately targeting [...]'s posts as the basis for adding these heads-up notices, this is not my intention. This will only occur because [...] is by far the busiest member here trying to help other members with their titration questions and problems. Few put put in as much effort to respond to and engage with members. There is a very common misconception that creating home formulations like this makes no difference to potency (dose). This is almost certainly untrue. It can very significantly increase or decrease potency. Again, please read the linked thread.

Thanks.