Author Topic: Help with Liquid prescription Valium  (Read 3918 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 04:31:54 am »
You dilute for several reasons.

1. Undiluted the liquid [...] is very harsh tasting.  Once diluted to a 9 to one ratio of water to liquid [...] it tastes like mild cough syrup.

2. The liquid [...] is quite sticky and if you take it directly a small amount might stick in the syringe.

3. Most importantly, diluting the liquid [...] gives you a solution with a lower concentration of [...], which allows you taper daily by a smaller amount.
    I use a 10 ML syringe that has markings down to .2ml.  If the liquid [...] was undiluted I could only make cuts by .2 mg.  But diluted I can make cuts
    by .02 mg.  This works better for a daily liquid micro taper.



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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 04:41:10 am »
Here is how I mix liquid [...]/Diazepam with water to create my daily solution.   I make a large batch that I later draw my doses from because it is much easier than trying to mix one dose at a time when I need it.

What I am writing in this post is an example.  You could certainly make a larger batch with a larger container as long as you follow the ratio of 1 ml of liquid [...] for every 9 ml of water.  As [...] has explained, this makes the math easier while tapering and provides you a solution with a lower concentration of [...], which allows you taper daily by a smaller amount.  This creates for an easier taper.

I use a 10 ML syringe that I bought in a batch from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JJYMOP6/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And a jar that I bought from them:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076DJHYK4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You can use a different jar, the most important thing being that it can seal tightly.  I bought several of the jars in case I break one. 

I use the 10 ML syringe to measure out 10 ML of water and I spray that into the bottom of the  jar.  I do that twice so that I have 20 ml of water at the bottom of the jar.  This prevents any of the liquid Diazepam from sticking to the bottom of the jar--even though it would be an imperceiveable amount if any.

I then use the same syringe to draw out 10 mg of liquid Diazepam and spray it into the jar with the 20 ml of water.  I do this again and draw an additional 10 ml of liquid [...] and spray it into the second jar with the water.

The jar now has 20 ml of water and 20 ml of liquid diazepam in it.

I then use the same syringe to draw 10 ml of water and spray it into the jar.  I repeat this 14 times so that the jar now has a total of 180 ml of water and 20 ml of liquid diazepam in it. 

By drawing the water into the same syringe after I used it to draw the liquid diazepam and spraying it into the jar, I make sure to wash out any of the liquid Diazepam that might have stuck in the syringe--although none is visible to me.

I now have a jar with 200 ml of solution with the water at a 9-1 ratio with the liquid diazepam.  At this point I close and shake the jar.  I also shake it every day before drawing my daily dose.

Another thing that I do is pour a bunch of the liquid diazepam out of its container into a glass jar and use that to draw from to make my mixture. 

I do this for two reasons:

1. It is very hard and awkward to draw the liquid diazepam out of its container while it is much easier to do so out of a jar since the jar has a wider top to get the syringe into and is smaller and easier to work with.

2. I am afraid that I might wind up dropping or spilling the liquid diazepam container if I am trying to tilt it to draw liquid out of it with a syringe. 

When taking my dose, I shake the jar with the mixture, open it, and use the 10 ml syringe to draw out 10 ml of the mixture.  Then I spray it down my throat.

Remember, Each 10 ML of the liquid I mixed consists of 9 ml of water and 1 Ml of liquid [...]/Diazepam.

I take as many 10 ml doses as I need for each mg of [...] that I take.

The 10 ML syringes have 4 markings between each individual ml mark to allow you to measure .2 of each ml.  This allows you to gradually taper. 

You might also want a 1 ML syringe to make finer cuts: https://www.amazon.com/Syringe-Luer-Slip-Needle-Non-Sterile/dp/B01N01TO2O/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1544846668&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=1ml+syringe&psc=1


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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 11:49:08 am »
You dilute for several reasons.

1. Undiluted the liquid [...] is very harsh tasting.  Once diluted to a 9 to one ratio of water to liquid [...] it tastes like mild cough syrup.

2. The liquid [...] is quite sticky and if you take it directly a small amount might stick in the syringe.

3. Most importantly, diluting the liquid [...] gives you a solution with a lower concentration of [...], which allows you taper daily by a smaller amount.
    I use a 10 ML syringe that has markings down to .2ml.  If the liquid [...] was undiluted I could only make cuts by .2 mg.  But diluted I can make cuts
    by .02 mg.  This works better for a daily liquid micro taper.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2019, 06:40:44 pm »
The daily liquid micro taper is most useful for when tapering with pills has become too difficult due to the withdrawal symptoms.

Keep in mind that I started tapering with [...] pills after crossing over from 1 mg of Klonopin a day to 20 MG of [...].  I was using a mix of 10 mg, and 2 mg pills.  From 20 mg a day down to 10 my a day I was doing straight cuts by 1 mg of [...] and holding for about 10 days to 2 weeks.  I was using 2 mg vailium pills and cutting them in half to enable me to make 1 mg cuts,  Once I got to 10 mg of [...], I started cutting the 2mg [...] pills in quarters, to allow me to make cuts by .5 mg. 

Once I got down to about 7.5 mg per day symptoms started getting quite noticible.  When I dropped from 7 mg a day to 6.5 mg a day they got really bad, to the point where I was getting hit for several weeks after a cut.  I had to reduce my .5 mg cuts down to about once a month.  I realized as I cut lower the .5mg cuts would represent a higher percentage of my daily dose and likely result in worse symptoms.


After I got down to 6 mg a day and stabilized, I switched over to doing a DLMT, which allowed me to make very small cuts on a daily basis which made life infinitely more livable.  I am now down to about 2.9mg of [...] per day and currently have no symptoms.  I did have some stretches where I tapered to much to quickly and felt it.

And once again I must thank [...], whose posts and patient explanations allowed me to do this.
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2019, 03:26:46 pm »
I currently take 1.5mg at 8 a.m. and 1 mg at noon. Would I still be able to do micro doses without diluting it?

Yes, dosing would look like this reducing .01ml per day:
 
1.5ml      1ml
1.49ml    1ml
1.49ml    .99ml
1.48ml    .99ml
1.48ml    .98ml

Just alternate which dose you reduce .01 from each day (if that is the rate you are going to reduce)

[...],

Do people taper successfully using the liquid diazepam without diluting it? I'm still on 2.5 after updosing and I want to take it really slowly. I was dry cutting and I'm scared of doing that again. I was thinking the liquid diazepam because the diluting I find too complicated. Again my question, do many people come off successfully with the liquid diazepam without diluting it? Thank you, hope you get to read this. I'm sure you will know as you're a senior moderator.
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2019, 08:35:46 pm »
I currently take 1.5mg at 8 a.m. and 1 mg at noon. Would I still be able to do micro doses without diluting it?

Yes, dosing would look like this reducing .01ml per day:
 
1.5ml      1ml
1.49ml    1ml
1.49ml    .99ml
1.48ml    .99ml
1.48ml    .98ml

Just alternate which dose you reduce .01 from each day (if that is the rate you are going to reduce)

[...],

Do people taper successfully using the liquid diazepam without diluting it? I'm still on 2.5 after updosing and I want to take it really slowly. I was dry cutting and I'm scared of doing that again. I was thinking the liquid diazepam because the diluting I find too complicated. Again my question, do many people come off successfully with the liquid diazepam without diluting it? Thank you, hope you get to read this. I'm sure you will know as you're a senior moderator.

Hi [...]!

Yes, I for one did not dilute and successfully tapered. I know of many others as well. [...] is not as concentrated as Xanax or Klonopin. There really is no need to dilute liquid [...] other than palatability. My opinion is why mess with a perfectly formulated solution if it is not necessary. Kind of like "if it's not broke, don't fix it". Also,it is my opinion that adjusting ones dose any more or less than .01mg of [...] is not necessary due to the extended half life and that it is unlikely that one would actually "feel" the difference between a reduction of .01mg V and .005mg V.
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2019, 08:48:52 pm »
I currently take 1.5mg at 8 a.m. and 1 mg at noon. Would I still be able to do micro doses without diluting it?

Yes, dosing would look like this reducing .01ml per day:
 
1.5ml      1ml
1.49ml    1ml
1.49ml    .99ml
1.48ml    .99ml
1.48ml    .98ml

Just alternate which dose you reduce .01 from each day (if that is the rate you are going to reduce)

[...],

Do people taper successfully using the liquid diazepam without diluting it? I'm still on 2.5 after updosing and I want to take it really slowly. I was dry cutting and I'm scared of doing that again. I was thinking the liquid diazepam because the diluting I find too complicated. Again my question, do many people come off successfully with the liquid diazepam without diluting it? Thank you, hope you get to read this. I'm sure you will know as you're a senior moderator.

Hi [...]!

Yes, I for one did not dilute and successfully tapered. I know of many others as well. [...] is not as concentrated as Xanax or Klonopin. There really is no need to dilute liquid [...] other than palatability. My opinion is why mess with a perfectly formulated solution if it is not necessary. Kind of like "if it's not broke, don't fix it". Also,it is my opinion that adjusting ones dose any more or less than .01mg of [...] is not necessary due to the extended half life and that it is unlikely that one would actually "feel" the difference between a reduction of .01mg V and .005mg V.

[...], I love your answer, it makes so much sense! I was afraid of making a solution and making mistakes. OK if I every really stabilize I will start with that ;) Thank you.
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2019, 08:54:13 pm »


[...], I love your answer, it makes so much sense! I was afraid of making a solution and making mistakes. OK if I every really stabilize I will start with that ;) Thank you.

You are welcome! Try not to worry about making mistakes. [...] is really forgiving, mistakes can be easily corrected :thumbsup:
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2019, 08:56:04 pm »


[...], I love your answer, it makes so much sense! I was afraid of making a solution and making mistakes. OK if I every really stabilize I will start with that ;) Thank you.

You are welcome! Try not to worry about making mistakes. [...] is really forgiving, mistakes can be easily corrected :thumbsup:

 :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: Help with Liquid prescription Valium
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2019, 04:20:06 pm »
How long does the 5mg/5ml liquid [...] stay stable once it is mixed with water?

« Last Edit: October 08, 2019, 12:46:39 am by [Buddie] »
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