Help with Liquid prescription Valium

[[Buddie]]

[...], if I said the sun rise in the East, you would disagree.   

Go to this page,

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=1aaf9375-ae3d-4fed-9cd1-24102e00be1a&type=display

scroll down to  the label illustration for

 "DIAZEPAM ORAL SOLUTION 5MG = 5ML".

 Below that product descriptor you will find  the following:

SUGAR FREE

Each 5mL contains 5mg  diazepam USP

Dilute before using to enhance palatability

(emphasis added)

[[Buddie]]

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[...], if I said the sun rise in the East, you would disagree.   

Go to this page,

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=1aaf9375-ae3d-4fed-9cd1-24102e00be1a&type=display

scroll down to  the label illustration for

 "DIAZEPAM ORAL SOLUTION 5MG = 5ML".

 Below that product descriptor you will find  the following:

SUGAR FREE

Each 5mL contains 5mg  diazepam USP

Dilute before using to enhance palatability

(emphasis added)

 

Go to this page,

https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=1aaf9375-ae3d-4fed-9cd1-24102e00be1a&type=display

scroll down to  the label illustration for

 "DIAZEPAM ORAL SOLUTION 5MG = 5ML".

 Below that product descriptor you will find  the following:

SUGAR FREE

Each 5mL contains 5mg  diazepam USP

Dilute before using to enhance palatability

(emphasis added)

Dilute before using to enhance palatability

yes, to enhance palletability nothing to do with the concentration like intensol.

[...], if I said the sun rise in the East, you would disagree.   

Ditto

[[Buddie]]

My reasoning is that if one were to dilute by filling a 10ml syringe 10 times to make a 100ml batch @ 1mg=10ml and measurements were off bysay .10ml each draw that would equal a total 1ml or .10mg each 100ml batch.

If one were to draw 1ml from a 5mg=5ml undiluted pharma solution and were off  .01ml (the same amount proportionally) that would be equal to .01mg.  So it stands to reason that there is a 90% more of a chance  of error when diluting.

 

1)  If you're using a 10ml syringe to work with 100mls, you're using the wrong tool.  You could do it in one shot with a 100ml cylinder, or 2 shots with a 50-60ml syringe.

2)  If you take 10 consecutive measurements, the laws of probability say some errors will be over, some will be under, and the net effect will be even.  You know, like flipping a coin 10 times.

And with a .1mg=1ml solution, if you make a .1ml error, its only .01mgs.

And you're right, accuracy and precision are not really what its about.  Its just a lot easier to measure out small quantities with a dilute solution.

[[Buddie]]

Bells, simple question...

Does the label include the words "Dilute before using..."?

Which is exactly the words and format I used in my original post, which you disputed.

[[Buddie]]

Thank you. Can you explain exactly what the 9:1 ratio is. Is that 9ml of water to 1ml of diazapam?  I'm not good with the math.

I'm confused with the .1mg/ml.  How much would I take to get 2.5 mg.  I apologize, its confusing to me. Thank you.

Hello [...]-

Here is another option that may help to keep thing simple for you. Do not dilute the liquid. Dilution is not necessary with [...] as it is 20x less potent than klonopin or xanax.

So if you were to dose with your pharma liquid as is, your dose would look like this:
2.50mg             2.50ml
2.49mg             2.49ml
2.48mg             2.48ml
2.47mg             2.47ml
etc....


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If you use a 1ml tuberculin syringe like this you just measure out 1 line less everyday.

THIS!!! Thank you! I was going crazy thinking when I eventually feel capable of resuming my taper, if that ever happens, I wouldn't know how to do it and this way is so simple! In Spain what we have is a liquid with 2 mgs [...] per ml of the liquid. One ml are 40 drops. So 40 drops equate 2 mgs of diazepam. So one drop equates 0.05 mgs of [...], which I hope will be small enough to taper without having to dilute it anywhere. I've been dry cutting lexapro for four years and [...] for one but that didn't turn out too well so the liquid will be the next thing to try.

[...], hope you have a very successful taper.

[[Buddie]]

Bells, simple question...

Does the label include the words "Dilute before using..."?

Which is exactly the words and format I used in my original post, which you disputed.

I disputed this because in my original post I replied  to the op suggesting"not to dilute the [...]" and explained why (see quoted post below).Then you come along with your "fyi"  implying that it is necessary to dilute, conveniently omitting the part about "enhance palatability" when in fact dilution is only necessary for Intensol concentration(see quoted post below)

This type of posting causes even more confusion for the reader and is unnecessary. Agree to disagree and stop your gaslighting [...]. I am not going to allow this thread to continue to be disrupted with your nonsense.

Thank you. Can you explain exactly what the 9:1 ratio is. Is that 9ml of water to 1ml of diazapam?  I'm not good with the math.

I'm confused with the .1mg/ml.  How much would I take to get 2.5 mg.  I apologize, its confusing to me. Thank you.

Hello [...]-

Here is another option that may help to keep thing simple for you. Do not dilute the liquid. Dilution is not necessary with [...] as it is 20x less potent than klonopin or xanax.

So if you were to dose with your pharma liquid as is, your dose would look like this:
2.50mg             2.50ml
2.49mg             2.49ml
2.48mg             2.48ml
2.47mg             2.47ml
etc....

Just FYI, the mfgr's label on the 5mg=5ml Diazepam Oral Solution says  "Dilute before using..."


Yes, you can use it undiluted, but dilution makes it much easier to measure out your doses (.1ml is easier to measure than .01ml) and dramatically reduces the error factor.

[[Buddie]]

Yes, all this has confused me more.  I like the idea of diluting because it is easier to make small cuts. Atleastnit is with the liquid Ativan I take as well.

I am 16 months into Effexor withdrawal and still unstable and not sure if I should hold or taper. I have been on benzos a year and not sure how to proceed, but just want off

[[Buddie]]

In my opinion, diluting is always the better choice.  [...] answered your questions, which you understand and seem to agree by your replies. Don't allow unnecessary comments and/or drama confuse you.

Effexor is a stimulating A/D, it is good you've tapered off it, albeit a bit too quickly.

If it were me, I would slowly taper the Ativan and hold the diazepam steady. Once that is tapered, then tackle the diazepam slowly.

Please do listen to your body, you're still dealing with the Effexor withdrawal.

Wanting off is terrific, being off and healthy is an even better outcome.

[[Buddie]]

.  I like the idea of diluting because it is easier to make small cuts

And that's why its a good practice!

The underlying concept of all my suggestions for a liquid taper is to make it as easy as possible.

[[Buddie]]

It was suggested that I taper both benzos at once to try to avoid tolerance and the longer im on the benzos  the more damage they are doing. If I taper one at a time at 10% or less cut a month plus holds I'm looking at 8 years to be benzo free.