Symptoms following Liquid taper

[[Buddie]]

1. Tablets
2. During my first taper in 2016 no, every subsequent attempt to change from dry to liquid yes
3. Milk, both whole and Lactaid whole
4. 0 during first several months of taper and then 9 when I crashed and 10 every time I tried to switch over after that
5. Held and then abandoned liquid
6. Yes but I would advise making sure to go at a cut rate that is reasonable for that person. I think 10% was too fast for me and I did not feel it for several months. I have no clue why I was able to tolerate liquid at first and then never again after that

[[Buddie]]

Hi [...] 

Thanks for doing this...

A little sun in cold water...

❤️

[[Buddie]]

Hi, JH

I'm thinking you could use more responses than the 7 data points you've gotten so far, if you're going to do some sort of analysis and come up with anything, right? 

This is a bump, in the hopes that more BBs add their input. 

[[Buddie]]

Hi [...],

Thanks for the kind thought ❤️.

I understand many buddies after been healed stopped to come here. Others post in other forums and do not necessarily see my request. I might be wrong and wish to receive more feedback to build a reliable database useful for new taperers.

[[Buddie]]

Also something else worth considering is that while pharmaceutical made liquid benzo is made with pure benzo powder. The liquid taperers here are dissolving a pill that is full of binders and fillers and dyes, where the pill is only supposedly 3% benzo. just something to consider...

[[Buddie]]

Hi everybody,

Lastly I happened to be going through a number of posts where buddies were distressed for one specific reason. It touches a limited number of buddies and it seems by changing from tablets to solution, usually milk, they have felt withdrawal symptoms. As I cannot confirm that those symptoms came from using milk as solvent, it is not excluded that the same problem could have occurred with other liquids used as solvent/suspension too (alcohol, glycol propylene, Ora-Plus, etc...). What made me feel uneasy is that a number of them seemed to feel from the very beginning the same withdrawal effect as when benzo has been abruptly interrupted. Others felt their liquid dose was just not enough compared to when the same dose was taken with tablets. As any taper, Direct or Liquid, is there to alleviate sufferings, it seems to me important to have an answer to that issue and possibly have guidelines to offer to patients a reliable taper approach they can trust.

I here established a short list of questions with the hope that buddies can spend some of their precious time to answer. Their contribution will perhaps permit an insight into the mechanism and help newcomers to tackle their taper with reasonable confidence.

1. Did you use tablets or drops or pharmacy compound solution to prepare your solution? (Tablets / Drops / Pharmacy)
2. Did you experience symptoms changing from (benzo) tablets to solution? (Yes/No)
3. What solvent did you use? (Water, alcohol, juice, milk, ...). If milk, what type?
4. How would you rate the average intensity of these symptoms on a scale of 10 (0: same as with tablets - 10: very strong like with cold turkey)
5. What did you do to address the problem? (Abandon liquid, increase liquid dose, hold, additional medications...)
6. Based on your experience, would you recommend liquid taper to buddies who wish to taper? (Yes/No)

Here is my contribution based on my experience:
1. Drops
2. No
3. Water (to dilute benzo drops)
4. 0
5. Liquid till the end
6. Yes

Many thanks.

1. Tablets.
2. Yes. My symptoms got 90% better within a day or two of switching to liquid.
3. Milk. I use organic whole milk. (Was told not to use ultra pasteurized, on another forum)
4. 0. (Better than cutting a tablet)
5. Liquid till the end.
6. Yes.

[[Buddie]]

Hi everybody,

Lastly I happened to be going through a number of posts where buddies were distressed for one specific reason. It touches a limited number of buddies and it seems by changing from tablets to solution, usually milk, they have felt withdrawal symptoms. As I cannot confirm that those symptoms came from using milk as solvent, it is not excluded that the same problem could have occurred with other liquids used as solvent/suspension too (alcohol, glycol propylene, Ora-Plus, etc...). What made me feel uneasy is that a number of them seemed to feel from the very beginning the same withdrawal effect as when benzo has been abruptly interrupted. Others felt their liquid dose was just not enough compared to when the same dose was taken with tablets. As any taper, Direct or Liquid, is there to alleviate sufferings, it seems to me important to have an answer to that issue and possibly have guidelines to offer to patients a reliable taper approach they can trust.

I here established a short list of questions with the hope that buddies can spend some of their precious time to answer. Their contribution will perhaps permit an insight into the mechanism and help newcomers to tackle their taper with reasonable confidence.

1. Did you use tablets or drops or pharmacy compound solution to prepare your solution? (Tablets / Drops / Pharmacy)
2. Did you experience symptoms changing from (benzo) tablets to solution? (Yes/No)
3. What solvent did you use? (Water, alcohol, juice, milk, ...). If milk, what type?
4. How would you rate the average intensity of these symptoms on a scale of 10 (0: same as with tablets - 10: very strong like with cold turkey)
5. What did you do to address the problem? (Abandon liquid, increase liquid dose, hold, additional medications...)
6. Based on your experience, would you recommend liquid taper to buddies who wish to taper? (Yes/No)

Here is my contribution based on my experience:
1. Drops
2. No
3. Water (to dilute benzo drops)
4. 0
5. Liquid till the end
6. Yes

Many thanks.

Here's my experience and I'm almost 50% tapered

1) Tablets
2) No
3) Everclear (Vodka)
4) 0
5) Liquid until I'm done with the taper
6) Absolutely!!!

[[Buddie]]

1. Did you use tablets or drops or pharmacy compound solution to prepare your solution? (Tablets / Drops / Pharmacy)
2. Did you experience symptoms changing from (benzo) tablets to solution? (Yes/No)
3. What solvent did you use? (Water, alcohol, juice, milk, ...). If milk, what type?
4. How would you rate the average intensity of these symptoms on a scale of 10 (0: same as with tablets - 10: very strong like with cold turkey)
5. What did you do to address the problem? (Abandon liquid, increase liquid dose, hold, additional medications...)
6. Based on your experience, would you recommend liquid taper to buddies who wish to taper? (Yes/No)

Xanax
1. liquid made by the manufacturer (Roxane intensol) that I diluted with water
2. no
3. propylene glycol (I think)
4. 0
5. no problems
6. yes

Librium
1. used capsules
2. first time: no; second time: maybe
3. vodka (80 proof)
4. first time: 0; second time: 2
5. held a week
6. yes

Would be interesting to know if people converted their entire dose to liquid or only part of their dose.

[[Buddie]]

 1. tablets
 2. yes
 3.whole milk
 4.3
 5.lowered percentage rate of taper and held once
 6.yes

My doc didn't gave me 10mg less of the equivalent dose of med to taper.

[[Buddie]]

1: tablets
2: yes
3: water
4: 6
5: tried to stabilise for a week then back to dry
6:  no