At home liquid titration

[[Buddie]]

Sorry for asking the same question that I can only assume has been asked before.

I found benzo brains video and like the idea of slowly dropping vs after 10 days making a cut.

I know this might work for some and not for others but I think I want to give it a try.

I up dosed and switched to clonazepam after a CT from lorazepam.

I held for 30ish days at a higher dose then I ever took before of ativan and never had that form of consistency. I was a sporadic user of lorazepam.

I noticed after day 3 I was able to drive my car to do small simple errands. I then began a very rapid taper off the .5 and found myself debilitated again. After the second aggressive drop next day I went up and I'm holding at 0.4325 but noticed it right away. Feel horrible but can do one "major" thing a day but I have noticed I feel the up and down doses pretty quickly. I have a feeling it's going to be quite unpleasant the whole way down but when I cut 50% it felt like CT so I'm just trying to avoid this while going forward as fast as I can.

For my main question, can I make the liquid by dissolving the pills the night before so it's ready for when I wake up. I find when I wake up I just instantly take my first dose and wait for an hour before it becomes managable.

Does the pill go bad sitting in the water in the fridge?

!See page 2 for detailed math equation help!

[[Buddie]]

I just made small batches (enough for 3 or 4 days max), but I never noticed any problems with the last doses. Just my personal experience and perception. 

[[Buddie]]

Thank you I'm pretty much at home all day at the moment so I'll do them daily. Just wanted to make sure over night they wouldn't go "bad"

[[Buddie]]

Its important to remember that the pill doesn't dissolve, it disperses which means you'll need to agitate your suspension to insure you get all of the medication.  You will also want to add some extra liquid to the container you drink from to capture the particles clinging to the sides.

[[Buddie]]

I used a hand held milk frother to mix the pills. Once they hit the water they broke apart almost instantly.

After each time I pulled the dose I used the frother again to agitate the water.

I then filled the main mixing glass with water I will drink that, the refill with water a few times and drink that. Then take dose one and do the same drink fill shake drink... you think I've got a good plan?

[[Buddie]]

I used a hand held milk frother to mix the pills. Once they hit the water they broke apart almost instantly.

After each time I pulled the dose I used the frother again to agitate the water.

I then filled the main mixing glass with water I will drink that, the refill with water a few times and drink that. Then take dose one and do the same drink fill shake drink... you think I've got a good plan?

In my own experience, unless we are stabile and ready to resume our taper, the method you use won’t make much of a difference. I was cutting and holding until at 6.5mg’s, which is where I couldn’t tolerate going through another cut and hold, so I switched to Jocelyn’s (BenzoBrains) water taper. By day 4 of the daily micro taper, I had to stop because of the intense symptom onset, and I  realised that I couldn’t even tolerate the smallest reduction in dose. After I recovered, I tried again for the same result… intense symptoms after only a few days. I decided I had to stop and hold for an undetermined amount of time to stabilise and get my system functioning again, so I held for 14 weeks. After that 14 weeks, I felt much more stabile and therefore comfortable in the idea of resuming my taper, so I went back to the cut and hold method, reducing at 5% every 14-18 days, and I haven’t had a problem reducing since, and now only experience mild withdrawal symptoms after each reduction. So while I’m not saying you shouldn’t try this method, what I am saying is that if you find you still can’t tolerate reducing by using this DMT, then holding until you stabilise enough to tolerate reductions may be your best course of action. Your taper history has been erratic, and so, I think there is a question mark regarding your stability, as we discussed recently in one of your previous threads. If you decide to try this method right away, let us know how you fair, and if it doesn’t fair well for you, don’t be overly concerned. Sometimes the only option is to be ‘patient’ and allow ourselves enough time to find a good level of stabilisation from which we can then move forward much more easily.

[[Buddie]]

Thank you for your concern. I have not forgot what we spoke about. My plan as of now is to hold at the dose I am at until I am feeling more ready for a reduction. This post was more for learning if it was safe to mix the dose over night and it wouldn't effect the medication.

I know you've seen me at my most erratic state, just trying to over power the benzo I've learnt that is not the way. I listen as much as I can as well as doing what I feel comfortable with and what I feel is best for my circumstances.

I don't think if I dont see some improvement I can make a 14 week hold, at some point I might be forced to white knuckle this a little if I'm one that never seems to stabilize or find any form of relief. I know one month hold isn't a lot but when I did that it was about 50% -75% increase on the doses I used to take. It might be a but more bumpy for me but trust me I've learnt I am not in control while at the same time being in control. A second CT would not of ended well. I have the form and my body to thank for showing me this.

One of the big reasons I want to switch to water is currently I was taking 0.1875 in the morning and .125 mid day and night. I'm cutting the pills with a Razer blade and not even able to measure them. So from what I've learnt from you consistency is key and I think the bump in the morning didnt sit well for my following doses. Now I can make all 3 doses even. I plan to hold the water at 0.4375 so I can get used to it, give it time and then when I'm feeling like it's time to try then start. I also plan to hold at same ML removed for a few or more days if needed.

I just bought a jewelry scale and for some reason it didn't seem like the route I wanted to take. It's there if I find the water isn't working.

[[Buddie]]

Thank you for your concern. I have not forgot what we spoke about. My plan as of now is to hold at the dose I am at until I am feeling more ready for a reduction. This post was more for learning if it was safe to mix the dose over night and it wouldn't effect the medication.

I know you've seen me at my most erratic state, just trying to over power the benzo I've learnt that is not the way. I listen as much as I can as well as doing what I feel comfortable with and what I feel is best for my circumstances.

I don't think if I dont see some improvement I can make a 14 week hold, at some point I might be forced to white knuckle this a little if I'm one that never seems to stabilize or find any form of relief. I know one month hold isn't a lot but when I did that it was about 50% -75% increase on the doses I used to take. It might be a but more bumpy for me but trust me I've learnt I am not in control while at the same time being in control. A second CT would not of ended well. I have the form and my body to thank for showing me this.

One of the big reasons I want to switch to water is currently I was taking 0.1875 in the morning and .125 mid day and night. I'm cutting the pills with a Razer blade and not even able to measure them. So from what I've learnt from you consistency is key and I think the bump in the morning didnt sit well for my following doses. Now I can make all 3 doses even. I plan to hold the water at 0.4375 so I can get used to it, give it time and then when I'm feeling like it's time to try then start. I also plan to hold at same ML removed for a few or more days if needed.

I just bought a jewelry scale and for some reason it didn't seem like the route I wanted to take. It's there if I find the water isn't working.

You have to use whatever method you feel is right for you, and as you say - you always have the scale there as a backup. Just keep in mind that using the water taper doesn’t allow you to maintain a set reduction percentage as your dose lowers, so the reduction will always be increasing in percentage each day. This may or may not become a problem, but if it does, you may get to a point where you have to do the calculations and add extra water to the mixture to decrease the reduction percentage. This is by no means a great fix, as the reduction percentage will again continue to increase each day you reduce your dose, but it may help you from becoming stuck or overly symptomatic from reductions. The other thing to keep in mind is that a DMT is no different from a cut and hold method, in that it calls for holds in your dose at times, because continuously reducing will catch up with you without warning.

[[Buddie]]

I am interested in this topic regarding the water taper and potential increasing dosage as you go.

I have mine set up on a spread sheet.  I calculate at the beginning of each new 28 day cycle.  Now, this may change as I am holding and really don't know how to move forward after.

However, I have the formulas calculating how much of a drop there has been by percentage and by amount of medicine in the remaining water.  So, each 28 day cycle, I am aware of the percentage drop with that time and the new mg amount remaining in the water at the end of that 28 day cycle.

Have I missed something?  I feel as though I have missed something.

[[Buddie]]

Hi Faith

It’s best to explain it in terms of the solid form tablet. If your beginning dose is 10mg valium per day, and you reduce by 1mg at a time, your initial reduction will be 10% of that 10mg’s (down to 9mg), but if you keep reducing by that 1mg at each cut, by the time you get to 5mg’s, your next 1mg reduction will be a 20% reduction - 20% of 5mg. Once you got down to 2mg’s remaining, if you cut another 1mg, it would be a 50% reduction in dose. The brain doesn’t experience the reduction as just another 1mg cut, it experiences it in terms of the percentage that is being removed from its daily needs, so you can see the shock that this would cause to the brain as the reduction percentage climbs higher and higher. Can you see how removing that same 1ml every day creates the same issue?