Author Topic: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration  (Read 1987 times)

[Buddie]

Re: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2023, 01:35:18 am »
Hi [...],

For a liquid taper, the best thing to do is not worry about percentages but instead reduce a tiny amount each day.

For example, let us say you want to finish your taper in 90 days. 

Then do this:

Each morning, put 1/4 pill into 90 mL of water and let it break down.  Then stir or shake vigorously.

Day 1 - remove 1 mL of water and drink the rest
Day 2 - remove 2 mL of water and drink the rest
Day 3 - remove 3 mL of water and drink the rest.
Continue until day 90

If desired, you can first put a few drops of Vodka on the 1/4 pill to help it dissolve before adding the water.

Bob

Thanks for putting this together and making it easy for me! I really appreciate it. Godbless  :)
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[Buddie]

Re: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2023, 01:42:39 am »
Thanks Bob for helping out with the quantities.

3 months is a bit faster than what we discussed, it's 0.001mg per day. However what you can do, is remove 1ml per day for 5 days and then hold your dose for 2 days without removing anything for 2 days. If you feel the intensity of your symptoms increase at any stage it would also be best to just hold your dose.

Remember we discussed suspensions? After you've swallowed the mixture, you add some more water to the jar/glass and rinse the sides and then swallow it. You do this because the pill doesn't fully dissolve in the water and you want to make sure you get any residue on the sides. Also we recommend you use filtered or bottled water as we don't know what chemicals there are in tap water and how it reacts to the drug.

I hope this helps you get started.

I put your notes already Jellybaby! And really glad for such a big help. I"ll update you guys of my progress. Thank you so much!  :smitten:
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[Buddie]

Re: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2023, 05:59:57 am »
Hi [...]:
I am preparing a taper for 1 mg clonazepam x 16 years. Itís my only psychotropic medication. I was provided a plan on this site for a water taper for 287 ml to remove 1 ml daily and drink the rest. It was just a plan to drop my 1 mg tablet into the jar. I see that you state itís best to get the liquid compounded. Can you tell me the reason for this? I want to get this right the first time. I knew I would be unable to dry cut although my husband states he will do the preparations for me. I have long Covid and am in no shape to try to do ďdifficultĒ. If I wanted to liquid raise from home, is there a way you prefer besides water? Thank you
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[Buddie]

Re: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2023, 08:59:40 am »
Hi [...]:
I am preparing a taper for 1 mg clonazepam x 16 years. Itís my only psychotropic medication. I was provided a plan on this site for a water taper for 287 ml to remove 1 ml daily and drink the rest. It was just a plan to drop my 1 mg tablet into the jar. I see that you state itís best to get the liquid compounded. Can you tell me the reason for this? I want to get this right the first time. I knew I would be unable to dry cut although my husband states he will do the preparations for me. I have long Covid and am in no shape to try to do ďdifficultĒ. If I wanted to liquid raise from home, is there a way you prefer besides water? Thank you

Hi [...]

When it comes to liquid tapering, first prize is always when you get the liquid commercially manufactured because there's no alteration of the manufactured drug. But liquid Clonazepam is not available in the States. Next best option is to have it compounded in my opinion. The reason I say this is because pharmacists can use a stability tested formula to make their liquids and they are professionally trained to do this. When we make our DIY liquids we really have no scientific evidence of what exactly happens during our own processes and we don't know what other elements might interfere since we're not professionally trained. Since Clonazepam is not soluble in water we only get a suspension, so we need be cautious. It also doesn't mean you cannot use water to titrate. Many people have used it successfully to get off benzo's. It simply means you have to be aware of the potential pitfalls and minimize the risks if you want to use water.
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[Buddie]

Re: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2023, 04:33:43 pm »
Hi [...]. I have been torn. The nearest Compunding pharmacy is 80 miles but I would drive there monthly it if could be the best way to get it done. I had really hoped to not talk to my provider about my taper because Iím not certain of how much they will a self led taper at my own speed so if felt safest to say nothing and use my own tablets. I have been pretty overwhelmed by the dry cut, file, weigh method but my husband would assist. Iíve seen so many success stories with water taper but have also seen negatives and itís frustrating because I believe I could handle it on my own and could slow it by decreasing .5 ml if needed or use a larger volume of water. I too have worried about making certain I know itís dispersed evenly. Iím feeling thereís no way that makes me comfortable so itís tough. Thereís nothing to add to the water besides alcohol to help this issue?

You had success in your taper with dry cut correct? I believe you said you were functional. Those scales seem like they make people pull their hair out. Are you a proponent of cut and hold or microtaper? Many say microtaper feels very smoothe but I thought cut and hold gave the CNS more time to heal along the way. Sorry for all the questions. I want to do this ONCE and know flexibility is important but I hope to get a method I feel comfortable with to begin. Thanks for any help you can offer.
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[Buddie]

Re: Getting Help for first time using Water Titration
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2023, 09:26:42 pm »
I do understand your fears during this process and the hardest part is being a guinea pig when we taper. I can't tell you what to do because some people are extremely sensitive to liquids and some people are not. One of my biggest fears was getting cut off from my pill supply and even though I had access to commercially manufactured Clonazepam, I chose to make my own DIY liquid just so I could stockpile pills. I'm not sensitive to liquids so it worked out for me, but I know of others who weren't as lucky.

The way I understand it, alcohol won't help disperse the Clonazepam more evenly. It just helps "jump starting the process" for lack of a better expression. If you do want to test the water method, then make sure you shake it vigorously before ingesting and rinse the container with water afterwards and drink the water to catch anything that's leftover. One of my biggest concerns with this method is the reductions are usually linear and not percentage based. Most people just decrease 1ml at a time instead of calculating percentages and don't realize how much their percentages are increasing over time.

I believe I would've had success regardless of which method I used whether I did dry cutting or liquid titration. In the beginnin I used [...]'s capsule method (worked great) but it's very tedious and you need someone with great Excel and maths skills to convert his spreadsheets for you. My husband did it for me.

Regarding microtapering and cut and hold - I did both during my taper and I think there's a place for both. During my LC I only did microtapering. But I did 7 days of tapering and then 3 days holding (7/3) so I could make sure my brain had time to recover.

I know you want to get things perfect the first time, but I also feel it's important to keep an open mind that sometimes it just doesn't work that way and it's okay to experiment. It's really a lot of pressure you put on yourself to find the perfect tapering method straight off the bat. If something doesn't work quite like you thought it would, it's okay. It doesn't make you a failure. I tried 3 different tapering methods and I changed between cut and hold and microtapering and 7/3 tapering and it all taught me so much. In the end we all get off these stupid pills, one way or another.
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